You’re perceived intention should be irrelevant during an argument. Either expose the belief directly so it can be engaged with honestly, or focus on the logic of the argument being made. It is entirely possible to be both correct in your argument and incorrect in the foundational belief. But engaging with a factually correct argument with the assumption that it was borne from a place of ignorance just makes YOU less capable of being reasonable.

The first poster made a claim, and assigned faulty logic as justification.

The second poster pointed out the flaw in this logic.

The third poster ignored the logic argument entirely and resorted to an appeal to outrage rather than the structure of the argument itself.

Personal experience, beliefs, gender, identity. All of these points are entirely irrelevant to the argument at hand. The title of this post was about logic. The second commenter pointed out a legitimate logical error, and the third commenter exposed themselves at appealing to indignation and dressing it up as an argument. You (royal you) shouldn’t support bad reasoning just because it agrees with you.

If you weight 500lbs, it’s becuase you eat more than you need. Biology is pure math. Calories in, calories out. There is no opinion or empathy in that calculation.

Medication and living situations can definitely effect it though, and those who struggle with weight absolutely deserve support and kindness.

But society needs both sides of the friction to genuinely encourage change. The condemnation side to prevent normalization, and the support side to welcome those who wish to change.

I support and encourage those who need it. But I will continue to condemn and mock those who refuse.

I actually fully agree with you, and the point about the alcoholics is quite pertinent. We don’t tell alcoholics they don’t need to change, and we also mock them for being self destructive.

I also fully agree that mocking does not lead to change, encouragement and support does. However, LACK of mocking leads to normalization. I think support and condemnation are 2 sides of the same coin. We should be supporting those who need it, and condemning those who arrogantly refuse.

And I may be conflating the 2, but I am quite confident that most of these obese ICE racists have no desire to better themselves.

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t think we should be telling people it’s “Okay” to be morbidly obese. It isn’t okay. It’s extremely dangerous, and a massive resource drain. I don’t see a problem with openly mocking and insulting people who have tattooed swastikas on their foreheads, nor do I see a problem with openly mocking and insulting people who weight a full x3 - x4 what their healthy weight is.

Obviously swastikas and obesity are not the same thing. But the point is, I don’t think it’s a universal taboo to mock people’s appearances.

Body positivity should be “It’s okay if you’re not a super model, there are many body shapes and sizes.” Not “It’s okay to eat nothing but fast food and twinkies. Your doctor is fat-phobic if they tell you to lose weight.”