@ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace i do. I love Debian. I’m from Indiana it’s a requirement lol. Ian Murdock grew up an hour from me. But I guess I try to understand with the big guys they are working towards desktop linux. normal people arent like us. honestly until theres a comprehensive set of GUI tools for managing systemd and people never have to touch a terminal GNU Linux wont have a place in home desktop market. Its getting there though. I hope people keep the choice alive though.