It doesnt matter if they paid for it, if the results end up being true. What I am looking for is criticism of the methods that invalidate the results. Are there any?
Counter point, “fat makes you fat,” “sugar is necessary for a good diet,” “fluoride in drinking water improves tooth health,” “leaded gasoline is harmless,” “leaded paint is safe,” etc. Many of these were held “scientifically true” for years and had plenty of “peer-reviewed” science behind that assertion.
Except it wasn’t really peer-reviewed. And it was never scientifically proven. Despite the hundreds of research papers that all “passed” peer review.
That’s why researchers now have to declare their financial sponsorships in honest science journals, because it automatically means whatever results they’re claiming should not be trusted until peers without any financial incentive review the findings. This claim has not been reviewed in that way, so this assertion has the same value as a random lemmy comment.
At the time people thought fats made you fat (calories in and out still matter though). Knowledge and our understanding of nature advances, it doesn’t mean there was some grand conspiracy. People 50 years from now may say “I can’t believe those fools legalized pot.”
Knowledge and our understanding of nature advances, it doesn’t mean there was some grand conspiracy.
Except, you know, it was a grand conspiracy. It was not “our understanding” or “knowledge.” It was blatantly the sugar lobby making up “science” and presenting it as fact in order to justify government aided and subsidized expansion. This actually happened. This is an uncontroversial fact.
Its not banned in Canada but I guess were not civilized compared to you hot shots down there with your super awesome federal government and big clubs of racist jingoist white boys and boy those Epstein files you guys handled those child rapists something fierce
You have no idea what you are talking about. I bet you also think travel to Antarctica is banned so no one discovers the ice wall around the flat earth.
I’ll have to find the link but flouride in drinking water has been shown to do little, if anything, to affect tooth decay. It also isn’t harmful to our health in concentrations found in tap water. More of a neutral thing than the “flOuRidE Is goNnA cAlCifY yoUr PeeNer GlAnD” that usually gets associated with people saying flouride doesn’t work. Idk what side of that argument the person you responded to is on but it’s not entirely unfounded
At a time where rural dental care is poor to nonexistent and dental care is usually not covered under health insurance we shouldn’t be promoting MORE tooth decay.
I edited my comment and straight up said I had it wrong. You’re getting upset with the wrong person. Use topical flouride, it works so well that it obscures the benefits of flouride in water. If you’re not gonna use flouridated toothpaste or mouth rinses, then flouridated water is better than nothing
it gets worst , since people also buy into the flouride free toothpaste, usually with or without nHA, and what a surprise the people in the reviews for those toothpaste ends up having bad teeth and still cavities. the people reporting thier "teeth or whiter or fresher attributes to it being nHA or flouride free, but dont account for the amount abrasives and whitening agents in these toothpaste, and since its not really standardized, since theres many different toothpastes flouride free made by different companies, people have reported allergies to it(ulcers or chelitis)
My buddy moved to Oregon where they don’t add fluoride to the water, and recently saw a dentist. The dentist could immediately tell he was from out of state and advised him he’d have to add supplementary fluoride rinses to his dental hygiene regimen to compensate.
I thought that was pretty cool the dentist could eyeball how impactful fluoride in the drinking water was.
They removed flouride from the water in the backwards antiscience hick province er I mean Alberta and now the rates of oral health issues in kids is much higher
Theres direct evidence that morons choose to ignore
Call me the Aluminium mining industry the way I sneak fluoride into places it may or may not belong depending entirely on your trust of government authorities in capitalism.
It happened. Whether or not you think it was a good thing depends on whether you believe the 1950s US government were corrupt or not. You know, the government that hunted down nazis… to recruit into its own ranks and was bribed into allowing leaded gasoline and sugar industries to do whatever they wanted to the American public while also giving black men syphillis and refusing to treat them while directly lying to them in order to study its effects.
Counter point, “fat makes you fat,” “sugar is necessary for a good diet,” “fluoride in drinking water improves tooth health,” “leaded gasoline is harmless,” “leaded paint is safe,” etc. Many of these were held “scientifically true” for years and had plenty of “peer-reviewed” science behind that assertion.
Except it wasn’t really peer-reviewed. And it was never scientifically proven. Despite the hundreds of research papers that all “passed” peer review.
That’s why researchers now have to declare their financial sponsorships in honest science journals, because it automatically means whatever results they’re claiming should not be trusted until peers without any financial incentive review the findings. This claim has not been reviewed in that way, so this assertion has the same value as a random lemmy comment.
Flouride does not make teeth healthy!?!
At the time people thought fats made you fat (calories in and out still matter though). Knowledge and our understanding of nature advances, it doesn’t mean there was some grand conspiracy. People 50 years from now may say “I can’t believe those fools legalized pot.”
Except, you know, it was a grand conspiracy. It was not “our understanding” or “knowledge.” It was blatantly the sugar lobby making up “science” and presenting it as fact in order to justify government aided and subsidized expansion. This actually happened. This is an uncontroversial fact.
https://www.cpreview.org/articles/2024/6/sugarcoating-the-truth-the-role-of-lobbying-in-americas-obesity-epidemic
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat
https://avicennamedicalreview.com/the-sugar-industry-scandal-how-harvard-scientists-were-paid-to-downplay-the-harmful-effects-of-sugar-and-what-it-reveals-about-science-manipulation/
https://home.sandiego.edu/~jkua/access396/SugarIndustry_NYT.pdf
https://longevity.stanford.edu/how-the-sugar-industry-shifted-blame-to-fat/
You cherry picked one subject to make a grand hand waving argument about everything.
Flouride is good for your teeth buddy.
It sure is, in concentrations 100-1,000x what is found in drinking water, and when applied topically, not swallowed.
where are you applying topical flouride, and why are you eating it to begin with. also its not commercially available to normal people.
No, it was originally noticed as a result of naturally occurring in water. Not at those concentrations and it was swallowed.
Drink more water
I drink plenty of filtered water, like most Americans, which removes the fluoride.
Regular filtering doesn’t work you need reverse osmosis or other specialized filters
Ah yes, Americans, the epitome of health. One could never guess that you dont drink fluoride, amazing.
Americans are pretty much the only ones with Fluoridated water. It’s banned in all civilized countries.
NZ chiming in here. Our right-wing dipshits copying the rolling US-fustercluck are proposing to stop flouridating our drinking water.
I don’t have a career about this argument but thought your ‘civilised countries’ claim was a bit hyperbolic
edit However, I love the thought you’ve put into your username and instance!
Incorrect. Commonly happens in the UK too.
Its not banned in Canada but I guess were not civilized compared to you hot shots down there with your super awesome federal government and big clubs of racist jingoist white boys and boy those Epstein files you guys handled those child rapists something fierce
You have no idea what you are talking about. I bet you also think travel to Antarctica is banned so no one discovers the ice wall around the flat earth.
Which part are you having trouble with little kiddo? Any google search will support my facts.
Snuck in flouride there huh.
I’ll have to find the link but flouride in drinking water has been shown to do little, if anything, to affect tooth decay. It also isn’t harmful to our health in concentrations found in tap water. More of a neutral thing than the “flOuRidE Is goNnA cAlCifY yoUr PeeNer GlAnD” that usually gets associated with people saying flouride doesn’t work. Idk what side of that argument the person you responded to is on but it’s not entirely unfounded
At a time where rural dental care is poor to nonexistent and dental care is usually not covered under health insurance we shouldn’t be promoting MORE tooth decay.
I edited my comment and straight up said I had it wrong. You’re getting upset with the wrong person. Use topical flouride, it works so well that it obscures the benefits of flouride in water. If you’re not gonna use flouridated toothpaste or mouth rinses, then flouridated water is better than nothing
it gets worst , since people also buy into the flouride free toothpaste, usually with or without nHA, and what a surprise the people in the reviews for those toothpaste ends up having bad teeth and still cavities. the people reporting thier "teeth or whiter or fresher attributes to it being nHA or flouride free, but dont account for the amount abrasives and whitening agents in these toothpaste, and since its not really standardized, since theres many different toothpastes flouride free made by different companies, people have reported allergies to it(ulcers or chelitis)
My buddy moved to Oregon where they don’t add fluoride to the water, and recently saw a dentist. The dentist could immediately tell he was from out of state and advised him he’d have to add supplementary fluoride rinses to his dental hygiene regimen to compensate.
I thought that was pretty cool the dentist could eyeball how impactful fluoride in the drinking water was.
They removed flouride from the water in the backwards antiscience hick province er I mean Alberta and now the rates of oral health issues in kids is much higher
Theres direct evidence that morons choose to ignore
Theyre a simple folk, people of the land
Call me the Aluminium mining industry the way I sneak fluoride into places it may or may not belong depending entirely on your trust of government authorities in capitalism.
I actually have you tagged as aluminum mining idiot, and I was wondering why.
Yeah, idiot spreading little known history that is backed by every single historian.
It happened. Whether or not you think it was a good thing depends on whether you believe the 1950s US government were corrupt or not. You know, the government that hunted down nazis… to recruit into its own ranks and was bribed into allowing leaded gasoline and sugar industries to do whatever they wanted to the American public while also giving black men syphillis and refusing to treat them while directly lying to them in order to study its effects.