Shouldn’t this be reversed? Vibranium was first, then Adamantium and it was stronger. But it’s heavier and doesn’t have the same properties.
Uru is the strongest, but it’s a rare cosmic material.
I just made Urur, which is 20% stronger than Uru
Urest
Well I just made anti Urest which counters it!
Marvel power scaling in a nutshell—there’s always someone 20% stronger 😂
Yeah, not to yuck anyone’s yum, but this has been one of the reasons why I always thought fiction in general, but in particular superhero stories, anime etc., wasn’t that interesting.
Like, wow, you thought of some arbitrary description for how the villain is by far the strongest. Except for that other villain in the next episode, of course, who’s even strongester. Oh, and did I mention that our hero is a total weenie, but somehow also stronger than these guys? Crazy, isn’t it?
I know, you’re supposed to indulge these stories and not question them too much, but pattern-recognizing brain says no. 🫠
This is basically the plot of all of Dragonball Z
It’s not so much a problem plaguing fiction in general, but fiction that runs a long time.
If it’s a contained story with defined end that comes relatively soon enough, the stakes can be relatively fixed, arcs can run through to a logical conclusion, etc.
If you have unending, soap-opera like story, then you hit problems. Characters can never actually be fully realized, they have to have their development paused. Any romantic ‘will they/won’t they’ gets ludicrously drawn out. You usually get tougher plot armor because fans are really attached, or a revolving door of characters that you don’t get attached too, or people inevitably managing to be alive after having died. You have power creep where insurmountable challenges get overcome through progress and then something has to reset the new capabilities to table stakes.
not to yuck anyone’s yum
You’re clearly trying to do this.
“Holy Generalizations Batman! That guy just yucked our yums! Doesn’t he know fictional worlds allow writers unprecedented freedom to explore the human condition!?”
“No time for that now Robin! The Joker just broke out of Arkham again, and he’s practicing unlicensed dentistry!”
A super-powered character could have boring stories like that. What matters is the writers coming up with interesting questions that make readers think. Having super-powered characters simply opens the door to different questions.
Most of the fiction I’ve been exposed to (which is a lot, I enjoy it very much and always have) isn’t like that. They don’t just describe someone as strong or evil, they describe actions and events and emotions from a specific perspective and let you come to your own conclusions.
I guess if you like stuff made for kids, teens, and young adults, you’ll run into that problem a lot more, but it’s not actually an overall problem with fiction as far as I’ve noticed. I’ve never really liked young adult fiction though, because it’s lacking in depth, much like you describe (some exceptions do apply of course).
Holy crap I was about to use the same yuck someone’s yum phrase to make the same point. Keep up the good work hive mind.
Edit: To clarify, in response to the shit storm of replies you got, I meant specifically that’s my issue with Marvel movies, and I assume that’s more what you meant, not all fiction ever.
Eh, I was kind of punting towards all of fiction there. With something like Scrubs (if we count that towards fiction), it doesn’t bother me, because the situations are realistic and then as many others said, it’s about the stories that unfold in that scenario.
But even copaganda or trash TV will play up each new case, e.g.: “Jeremias has not touched grass in 17 years. Will our team succeed in changing that?” and “The police has been on the hunt for this serial killer for 5 years. After 378 victims, will Shirley Holmes finally catch him?”.
I guess, yeah, it is also a matter of bad writers, though. It is far too easy to come to a point where you need drama and to then just make up big numbers with no credibility.
Yeah, I think you just might just hate formulaic genres. Let me guess, you also don’t like hero’s journey stories.
How do you feel about LeGuinn’s writing?
Adamantium is made with vibranium and steel.
You also have Uru, which is an entirely different thing from a magical realm, kinda like Marvel’s mithril.Their hardness, toughness, strength and magical conductivity are different, making Adamantium better for attacking, Vibranium better for defending, and Uru better for enchanting.
Gay
This is why I’ve just never liked super hero universes.
In isolation, it’s passable, fun even, and I’ve enjoyed some marvel stuff.
When they actually try to do world building, it’s just so, so bad.
This is my opinion, apologies to those who generally like the Marvel universe, but I just can’t stand it. (Based on the handful of films I’ve seen or heard about).
Nothing beats Unobtanium.
I swear, when I first heard that, I was out. I’ve despised every Avatar movie because of what is possibly the stupidest artistic choice in cinematic history.
You spend a billion dollars on a film franchise, and best you can come up with is Unobtanium? Go away.
And then there’s Chineseium, brittle crap that breaks when you look at it.
I’m pretty sure they meant it as a meta joke. Unobtanium has been used to describe fantsy/sci-fi fictional plot relevant material for many years before either Avatar was made.
Maybe, but that would be as dumb as calling it a MacGuffin, which is basically same thing in suspense thrillers.
“Let’s invade this planet and kill everybody for a MacGuffin!”
It’s not like he worked that hard at the story. The plot is literally Ferngully, and the name was already in use in another animated series. He was clearly more interested in creating a vehicle for his film tech, which he obviously cared more about than that clumsy story.
I don’t know, I mean, look at the naming that some tech companies use IRL. They use some pretty silly names. The idea of a company finding a metal that’s sci-fi grade and calling it Unobtanium as a nod to their love of sci-fi isn’t that crazy.
In real life, poor imagination is acceptable. In a billion dollar movie, we expect better than real life.
It was the imagination of a character in the movie that was bad, not the makers of the movie. I’m not trying to simp for James Cameron or something lol, that statement sounds like I am.
I know you know this, but, there is no character with an imagination. Cameron made him up. He’s not real. He didn’t imagine anything.
That’s a really weird way to think about it. Yes, obviously they’re all fictional, but you can of course make a character that has a vivid imagination or one that doesn’t.
you were watching Disney’s Pocahontas in space with tall smurfs. have some whimsy.
Valid, LOL.
Meanwhile…
Uru is a metal ore from the first moon in existence, and has existed since the beginning of the universe, being said to be rubble from the rock of creation and the strongest substance in all the realms.
and the strongest substance in all the realms.
Until it isn’t.
Damn even the metallurgists have to watch out for power creep
I mean, they’ve been having to do that since the chalcolithic.
Damn Catholics get into everything, don’t they?
Ah, thank you. I was looking for the expression “power creep” to describe this phenomenon. In Japan, we usually call it “power inflation,” and I couldn’t remember how to say it in English!
So it’s strongest than the actual rock of creation? Also funny that it was there since the beginning but it’s in a moon. A moon that existed before the planet the moon is a moon of? That’s not a moon lol.
The moon was made up of rubble from the rock of creation. It doesn’t say it existed before its planet.
Is it planet?
when I was reading comics admantium was stronger than vibranium but vibranium had this unique quality with resonance and was used in a lot of sonic type devices. caps shield was made from an alloy of both that much like the experiment that created him only worked once and they have never been able to repeat it. The shield was considered much stronger than admantium and the vibranium is what allowed for its ability to bounce around. It was considered indestructible.
You and I must have been reading comics around the same time in the previous century! I recall the exact same thing, right down to the details.
