i hate this but he’s been found guilty of sexual assault but specifically not rape afaik… legal shit which isn’t worth correcting unless you add “i’m a court of law” etc
If you’re gonna be picking nits, then at least commit to it.
Trump was found legally liable for sexual assault (and defamation). This is a civil verdict, and it means that the jury found it more likely than not that these things happened. The judge also clarified that the jury’s finding meets the “common, everyday definition of rape”, so while it doesn’t meet the highly specific statutory requirements of New York (which required penile penetration), it is rape.
There was no criminal case, however, and the word “convicted” is specifically used for criminal trials, so it can’t be used here.
The bar is also different: the criminal standard is “beyond reasonable doubt”, while for a civil case it’s “preponderance of evidence” (ie, more likely than not).
I don’t think anyone doubts it happened, but a criminal trial can be gruelling and ultimately lead to nothing. At least she got some vindication, even if it falls short of locking that disgusting scumbag for good.
You might want to look at right wing social media - there’s a whole lot of claims that it didn’t and that she based her story on Law and Order SVU S13 E11 from 2012. Given the circles she traveled in, it’s at least as likely that the SVU episode was inspired by her telling someone connected to the writers the story.
but a criminal trial can be gruelling and ultimately lead to nothing.
Also, odds are that it’s past statute of limitations, and those exist in large part because memories fade and evidence doesn’t last forever making crimes both more difficult to prove and more difficult to defend against over time.
Her civil case would have already been past statute of limitations, but NY passed a law that created a temporary window where the statute of limitations for civil suits for sexual assault was retroactively revoked. It’s pretty obvious that the goal was specifically to allow Carroll to sue Trump, but it’s written a more broadly than that essentially as plausible deniability. I was actually surprised that NY law didn’t get stopped under the same grounds that retroactively expanding the statute of limitations has been shot down in the past - usually the line the courts will follow is that if you expand a statute of limitations, the new limit only applies to conduct that happens after the change occurs.
It’s pretty obvious that the goal was specifically to allow Carroll to sue Trump
No, it is not, and it’s revolting to me that you’d think that. More than 3000 suits were filed in 1 year under the Adult Survivors Act, are all those “happy little accidents”, or do those people mean nothing and you only care about that one case?
Also, you’re omitting the broader context of the ASA: New York’s had a 3 year statute of limitations for civil suits for sexual assault, and they changed it to 20 years.
This was not retroactive, however, so the ASA was passed to allow alleged victims to bring up their cases.
Determined in civil court, which requires less than “beyond a reasonable doubt” that criminal court does. However it has been determined that Carroll claiming he raped her is not slander. So while he wouldn’t be behind bars for it, he definitely deserves to be, for that and many other reasons.
Determined by a preponderance of the evidence (this standard is essentially slightly more likely than not as opposed to the stronger standards of clear and convincing or beyond a reasonable doubt) to be civilly liable for sexual abuse (he was found not liable for rape because while the jury believed it had been proved more likely than not she was penetrated by him they didn’t believe it had been proved more likely than not that he used his penis to do so) for which he owes her damages, and then further damages for suing her for defamation for calling him a rapist (the judge there ruled that while he had not been found civilly liable for rape in the trial that the conduct he was found liable for met the colloquial definition of rape if not the NY penal code definition of such).
It’s sort of like how OJ Simpson was never found guilty of murder, but he was found civilly liable for wrongful death for the same killings.
Um. What about Trump?
He’s a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist, and probable pedophile.
So, exactly what he needs to be to rise to the top of the GOP.
I mean Trump has literally been found to be a rapist in a court of law
i hate this but he’s been found guilty of sexual assault but specifically not rape afaik… legal shit which isn’t worth correcting unless you add “i’m a court of law” etc
Spoken like a sex pest who has to explain why they have to introduce themselves to the neighbourhood
If you’re gonna be picking nits, then at least commit to it.
Trump was found legally liable for sexual assault (and defamation). This is a civil verdict, and it means that the jury found it more likely than not that these things happened. The judge also clarified that the jury’s finding meets the “common, everyday definition of rape”, so while it doesn’t meet the highly specific statutory requirements of New York (which required penile penetration), it is rape.
There was no criminal case, however, and the word “convicted” is specifically used for criminal trials, so it can’t be used here.
The bar is also different: the criminal standard is “beyond reasonable doubt”, while for a civil case it’s “preponderance of evidence” (ie, more likely than not).
I don’t think anyone doubts it happened, but a criminal trial can be gruelling and ultimately lead to nothing. At least she got some vindication, even if it falls short of locking that disgusting scumbag for good.
You might want to look at right wing social media - there’s a whole lot of claims that it didn’t and that she based her story on Law and Order SVU S13 E11 from 2012. Given the circles she traveled in, it’s at least as likely that the SVU episode was inspired by her telling someone connected to the writers the story.
Also, odds are that it’s past statute of limitations, and those exist in large part because memories fade and evidence doesn’t last forever making crimes both more difficult to prove and more difficult to defend against over time.
Her civil case would have already been past statute of limitations, but NY passed a law that created a temporary window where the statute of limitations for civil suits for sexual assault was retroactively revoked. It’s pretty obvious that the goal was specifically to allow Carroll to sue Trump, but it’s written a more broadly than that essentially as plausible deniability. I was actually surprised that NY law didn’t get stopped under the same grounds that retroactively expanding the statute of limitations has been shot down in the past - usually the line the courts will follow is that if you expand a statute of limitations, the new limit only applies to conduct that happens after the change occurs.
She has a dress with DNA evidence, he refused to submit a sample.
No, it is not, and it’s revolting to me that you’d think that. More than 3000 suits were filed in 1 year under the Adult Survivors Act, are all those “happy little accidents”, or do those people mean nothing and you only care about that one case?
Also, you’re omitting the broader context of the ASA: New York’s had a 3 year statute of limitations for civil suits for sexual assault, and they changed it to 20 years.
This was not retroactive, however, so the ASA was passed to allow alleged victims to bring up their cases.
Seems like the obvious example. Not sure why he wasn’t mentioned there shrug
He’s not currently in an active campaign for the next election I guess? He’s for sure the most direct example but maybe not the most timely?
Proven in court without a doubt rapist who owes one of his victims millions of dollars.
Determined in civil court, which requires less than “beyond a reasonable doubt” that criminal court does. However it has been determined that Carroll claiming he raped her is not slander. So while he wouldn’t be behind bars for it, he definitely deserves to be, for that and many other reasons.
Determined by a preponderance of the evidence (this standard is essentially slightly more likely than not as opposed to the stronger standards of clear and convincing or beyond a reasonable doubt) to be civilly liable for sexual abuse (he was found not liable for rape because while the jury believed it had been proved more likely than not she was penetrated by him they didn’t believe it had been proved more likely than not that he used his penis to do so) for which he owes her damages, and then further damages for suing her for defamation for calling him a rapist (the judge there ruled that while he had not been found civilly liable for rape in the trial that the conduct he was found liable for met the colloquial definition of rape if not the NY penal code definition of such).
It’s sort of like how OJ Simpson was never found guilty of murder, but he was found civilly liable for wrongful death for the same killings.
Republicans protect Trump the way the Catholic Church protects their pedophile priests.