I am not an expert on every verse of the Bible, but I don’t recall there being a passage that forbids a believer from fucking roadkill. And even if there is, I’m confident that he doesn’t know about it, either. So, I suspect that the actual reason that guy doesn’t fuck roadkill is nearly the same reason that I don’t fuck roadkill.
I don’t fuck roadkill because I don’t want to. He, on the other hand, also doesn’t want to, but he goes the extra step to say that because he doesn’t want to, and it’s sexual, then actually it’s God that doesn’t want him to do it.
In my experience, Christians do this frequently. They have some feeling, and then assume that God must want them to feel that way. I can only say that the thought itself must be blasphemous. And when you look at it in that light, it’s actually pretty blasphemous if that Christian doesn’t stop to fuck all of the roadkill he comes across. Who is he to guess the mind of God? Even if he doesn’t want to, he’s got to go pump his meat into that dead deer.
You don’t need to be an expert to a) have read it or b) just look it up before writing a lengthy, uninformed comment:
Exodus [“Laws for a Just Community”]:
[22:19] Whoever lies with an animal shall be put to death.
Leviticus:
[18:23] And you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it: it is perversion. […] [20:15–16] If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
Deuteronomy [Moses speaking]:
[27:21] “‘Cursed be anyone who lies with any kind of animal.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’
If you can read and claim that the above doesn’t prohibit it, then you’re arguing in bad faith. You can make plenty of solid arguments about e.g. consistency with laws of the Torah (e.g. mixed fabrics, shellfish); this one ain’t it, chief.
You don’t need to be an expert to a) have read it or b) just look it up before writing a lengthy, uninformed comment:
It was the very next sentence after the one you quoted that is critical, and that you clearly didn’t read. You know, the one that says it doesn’t really matter what the bible actually says because a guy who makes such a bad argument probably doesn’t know any more than I do.
You wrote a lengthy, uninformed (because you didn’t read enough to understand the context) comment while complaining about me doing the very same thing.
This exact question is why I added the line: “If you can read and claim that the above doesn’t prohibit it, then you’re arguing in bad faith.” I didn’t commit to citing it specifically, though, because I secretly hoped Lemmy could restrain itself.
Because yes, this obviously prohibits dead animals too. It says “animals”. You may as well be asking “well does it prohibit green animals?” Even if you take the Leviticus passages about the animal being put to death and warp it in wildly bad faith in order to assume that means the animal must be living, the Exodus passage spoken by Moses and the Deuteronomy one just say that lying with an animal is cursed/to be punished by death.
Yeah, I can’t disagree there’s no explicit passage against human necrophilia, although my logic didn’t preclude that. It is, however, made clear to a reasonable person given a combination of Leviticus’ condemnation of “sexual immorality”, the way it treats simple inadvertent touching of unclean things, and the way Numbers (immediately proceeding Leviticus) specifically in detail talks about human corpses as unclean:
Leviticus:
[5:3–6] When [someone] inadvertently touches the uncleanness of a human being, whatever his uncleanness that made him unclean may be, when he himself comes to know about it, he will be guilty. When a person has sworn inadvertently by what he has said, whether for evil or good, whatever it was that the person spoke, when he comes to understand what he said, he will incur guilt by one of these things. When a person is guilty of one of these things, then he is to confess whatever sin it was and bring compensation to the LORD for the guilt that he committed: a female from the flock whether a lamb or goat for a sin offering. Then the priest is to make atonement for him.
Numbers [the Lord speaking to Moses and Aaron]:
[19:11–16] "Whoever comes in contact with the body of a dead person is to remain unclean for seven days. He is to purify himself on the third day and he will be clean on the seventh day. But if he can’t purify himself on the third day then he can’t be clean on the seventh day. Anyone who comes in contact with a dead person (that is, with the corpse of a human being who has died), but who does not purify himself, defiles the LORD’s tent. That person is to be eliminated from Israel, because the water of impurity wasn’t sprinkled on him. He remains unclean and his uncleanness will remain with him. This is the procedure to follow when a man dies in his tent: Everyone who enters the tent and everyone in it is to remain unclean for seven days. Every open vessel that has no covering fastened around it is to be considered unclean. Whoever is out in an open field and touches the body of someone who was killed by a sword, or a dead body, or someone’s bones, or a grave, he is to be considered unclean for seven days. [insert cleaning ritual] [19:20] The person who is unclean but who doesn’t purify himself is to be eliminated from contact with the assembly, since he has defiled the LORD’s sanctuary and the water of impurity wasn’t sprinkled on him. He is to be considered unclean as a continuing reminder to them.
Thus, there’s technically no specific rule about fucking a human corpse, but Leviticus and Numbers so heavily emphasize cleanliness and so heavily condemn “sexual immorality” (including so much as having sex with a menstruating women, which results in both parties being “eliminated from contact with their people”) that this is obviously prohibited. It’s “I can’t believe they closed my restaurant down; where was the rule about turning the raw chicken into a fleshlight? I had a plastic glove over it!” The lawyering would have to be around what the punishment would be, not if the Bible obviously considers it wrong.
Also, this is beside the point, but I found the rawest fucking quote while looking into this:
[Leviticus 20:6] “I’ll oppose and eliminate from contact with his people whoever consults mediums or familiar spirits, thereby committing spiritual prostitution with them.
I am not an expert on every verse of the Bible, but I don’t recall there being a passage that forbids a believer from fucking roadkill. And even if there is, I’m confident that he doesn’t know about it, either. So, I suspect that the actual reason that guy doesn’t fuck roadkill is nearly the same reason that I don’t fuck roadkill.
I don’t fuck roadkill because I don’t want to. He, on the other hand, also doesn’t want to, but he goes the extra step to say that because he doesn’t want to, and it’s sexual, then actually it’s God that doesn’t want him to do it.
In my experience, Christians do this frequently. They have some feeling, and then assume that God must want them to feel that way. I can only say that the thought itself must be blasphemous. And when you look at it in that light, it’s actually pretty blasphemous if that Christian doesn’t stop to fuck all of the roadkill he comes across. Who is he to guess the mind of God? Even if he doesn’t want to, he’s got to go pump his meat into that dead deer.
Bold of you to assume that guy doesn’t fuck roadkill.
You don’t need to be an expert to a) have read it or b) just look it up before writing a lengthy, uninformed comment:
Exodus [“Laws for a Just Community”]:
Leviticus:
Deuteronomy [Moses speaking]:
If you can read and claim that the above doesn’t prohibit it, then you’re arguing in bad faith. You can make plenty of solid arguments about e.g. consistency with laws of the Torah (e.g. mixed fabrics, shellfish); this one ain’t it, chief.
It was the very next sentence after the one you quoted that is critical, and that you clearly didn’t read. You know, the one that says it doesn’t really matter what the bible actually says because a guy who makes such a bad argument probably doesn’t know any more than I do.
You wrote a lengthy, uninformed (because you didn’t read enough to understand the context) comment while complaining about me doing the very same thing.
But it’s it still lying with an animal if it’s dead?
More importantly, are we saying everything in Leviticus is immortal/unethical, including those you cite at the end? Because most Christians don’t.
This exact question is why I added the line: “If you can read and claim that the above doesn’t prohibit it, then you’re arguing in bad faith.” I didn’t commit to citing it specifically, though, because I secretly hoped Lemmy could restrain itself.
Because yes, this obviously prohibits dead animals too. It says “animals”. You may as well be asking “well does it prohibit green animals?” Even if you take the Leviticus passages about the animal being put to death and warp it in wildly bad faith in order to assume that means the animal must be living, the Exodus passage spoken by Moses and the Deuteronomy one just say that lying with an animal is cursed/to be punished by death.
Objection overruled, Attorney Sam-I-Am.
By your logic that means the Bible thinks it’s okay to have sex with a dead human.
Yeah, I can’t disagree there’s no explicit passage against human necrophilia, although my logic didn’t preclude that. It is, however, made clear to a reasonable person given a combination of Leviticus’ condemnation of “sexual immorality”, the way it treats simple inadvertent touching of unclean things, and the way Numbers (immediately proceeding Leviticus) specifically in detail talks about human corpses as unclean:
Leviticus:
Numbers [the Lord speaking to Moses and Aaron]:
Thus, there’s technically no specific rule about fucking a human corpse, but Leviticus and Numbers so heavily emphasize cleanliness and so heavily condemn “sexual immorality” (including so much as having sex with a menstruating women, which results in both parties being “eliminated from contact with their people”) that this is obviously prohibited. It’s “I can’t believe they closed my restaurant down; where was the rule about turning the raw chicken into a fleshlight? I had a plastic glove over it!” The lawyering would have to be around what the punishment would be, not if the Bible obviously considers it wrong.
Also, this is beside the point, but I found the rawest fucking quote while looking into this:
If it’s dead, it’s just meat. Loophole. What is the Bible’s stance on lying with a hamburger?