center right is as far as america goes, and its the most conservative western country. Besides the DNC prevents any viable progressive from running ever.
they only allow AOC, AND BERNIE in congress solely to take attention off from themselves. like how schumer had a slew of dems to take the fall for ending the shutdown, in order to shield the other dems from being primaried.
more or less both parties make back-door deals with each other not privy to the voters.
at the time of bernie and obama, yea it was possible, as soon as trump got elected, it went out the window. as the DNC had not come up with a candidate as good as bernie or OBAMA since, just milquetoast AIPAC supporting candidates.
Won’t happen until both the Republican and Democratic parties are dead and buried. As we’ve seen over the last decade, they’re more than happy to work together if it means keeping progressives out of office.
Yes. If you look at the last couple of elections and when they were born you’ll notice an outlier that got that vote because they promised something different.
It’s doable, but it seems like the current voters like people born at the tail end of WW2.
America is going to collapse. Start having faith in self and building a community that has a foundation that isn’t using and abusing you.
This is more of a thought and a note to myself. It started out as sarcasm but I don’t think it really is. The more I detox from American pop culture the more real authentic and honest life seems to be. It’s like I have been lied to my entire life about truth and freedom.
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There’s a lot of doomerism happening in these comments, so I’m just gonna add in that yes, I do think there’s a chance. A small chance, but a chance nonetheless
Right now shit sucks real bad. People know this. That’s why Trump won the first time. He ran as an anti-establishment everything candidate and people—not just his bigoted cultists—ate it up. But things didn’t get better. So then people voted for Biden bc he was the opposition to Trump who had become the establishment as the sitting president. And Biden won and shit still sucked. So then they went back to Trump bc there was no viable republican or democrat candidate outside of Trump and Biden/Harris. (Yes Bernie should have been the answer but America is currently a two party system and he was robbed of a primary election.)
So now that everything sucks and is getting worse and we’ve tried republicans and democrats and none of it is working and most candidates refuse to talk about real issues like affordability, people are starting to say “fine. I’ll find a different candidate then.”
And that’s how we got Zohran Mamdani, an openly democratic socialist as mayor of New York City. All across the country progressive candidates are using this momentum to primary out establishment dems. Not all are winning, but many of the races are close, like Kat Abughazaleh’s race. Even that helps because it shows dems that if they want to keep their seat as the controlled opposition so they can keep getting their bribes, then they have to change their messaging and priorities. People aren’t satisfied with a campaign to return to pre-Trump business as usual. People want a candidate that works for them
So check who’s on the ballot of your dem primaries (which are happening rn and through the summer depending on where you live) and see if there are any progressive candidates and do what you can to support them. Donate, volunteer, spread the word, and most importantly, show up and vote in the primary and the elections in November. Even local candidates like city council members and judges can have a lot of power if they have enough numbers and the support of the people
I know a lot of people on lemmy say that America is beyond repair and that the only answer at this point is a violent revolution but not only is this not realistic, it’s not helpful. A violent revolution would be devastating and the amount of lives lost would be horrifying. Theres also the fact that most violent revolutions result in a military authority taking power rather than a true democratic rebuilding. It’s much easier to fantasize about a violent revolution than it is to do the slow, tedious work of creating real change from the ground up
There’s no need to jump to the worst case scenario when we have a prime opportunity to make real change and build grassroots movements. Like I said, this is our chance to capitalize on people’s anger and dissatisfaction with the system to build class consciousness and grassroots movements. Do what you can, even if it doesn’t seem like a lot, and stay hopeful. We’ll get through this together by supporting each other
As someone looking in from the outside, I can’t back this message enough.
I don’t know if the country will ever go progressive but if it’s going to, this is the only way it will. One of the two major parties has to be infiltrated and overhauled so to speak, by primary.
Third party voting is not really any good yet, the FPTP system has to be fixed, well, removed, to maximise the minor party usefulness. It would be, though, if enough progressives get in to make those changes (which I imagine would be via the Amendment system? I don’t know) for what you know as ranked choice, which really does build worthwhile third party candidacy.
But they have to vote and they have to make use of the primary system. That’s your ticket out. The Republicans have already shown the way because that’s how they got to where they are…using those electoral systems and voting as a unit. Voting the letter on the actual day, too.
Ranked choice can be done state by state. Alaska, maine, and New York City elections are ranked choice.
The electoral college can be nullified by state by state adoption of the popular vote compact.
That’s only a few states short but all the blue states have signed on, so it needs support from red states which is a much heavier lift.
The original setup was basically a ranked choice system already. The top two vote getters were the president and vice president.
That was changed, ostensibly to “stop assassination” but like all good ideas, it had bad follow on effects.
by primary.
The dnc won a court case against Bernie by arguing that they have no obligation to run a fair primary, or even to adhere to the decision of the primary vote, or play by their stated rules. Its an internal process with no legal guarantees whatsoever.
That time they did. That’s once. The American voter has been doing this shit every time.
Let’s remember too that Sanders is an independent, not a Democrat, so they aren’t going to fund him willingly.
Bernie has caucused with dems for his entire career and voted with them on nearly all of their bills (95-99% of the time). He’s a more reliable dem voter than most dems. The times he hasnt voted with them have been about taking on stand on pro voter causes, or anti war.
But they treated him like an enemy and did him dirty. Thats the Dem centrists for you.
Yep, no argument here.
The fptp system was broken not long after it was created. It wasn’t always broken like it is now.
That happened under the guise of making it “safer”
Used to be, the president didn’t have a running mate, the runner up was the VP.
By removing that, we’ve made our system into the 2 party monstrosity it is today.
Interesting, thank you.
Imagine what difference that would have made over the years.
The guys who set it up originally were actually pretty smart. And we spent the next 250 years screwing it up…
That barely existed as a system because it didn’t work well in practice. It was amended in 1804, there were only 3 presidents elected that way, Jefferson was in office when it was ratified.
It was changed, because they were worried that it would increase assassinations as the VPs people wanted the presidency. But they didn’t consider the follow-on issues. Basically another knee jerk reaction
There’s not really follow on issues from the president and vice president being elected together instead of in opposition. The opposition is supposed to be Congress not a person with only symbolic power.
That’s what they thought. But, keep in mind, if there’s a tie in the House or Senate, guess who casts the deciding vote? The VP.
Not the president. The veep.
The whole thing is set up to make passing new laws difficult. Intentionally.
We’ve made it easier and easier over the years. And in the process, we’ve broken our nation. We turned a nation built on bottom up power, where the majority of power is held by the individual into a top down power where our government has the majority of the power.
That’s still not a big deal. The only difference is bills that pass the house and tie in the Senate could become laws instead of vetos. It’s a very low possibility.
The expansion of presidential powers and the willingness of Congress to abdicate their responsibility is a far bigger problem.
republicans also had propaganda and rigging the election places , and voter suppression on thier side, DNC are pretty bad at propaganda, and also afraid to call out election rigging. the DNC benefits from it, at leas the dinos do
At the end of the day, their people still act and vote as a unit regardless of what noise is outside.
That’s the difference. Yes, there’s a lot of noise but sooner or later progressive voters or anyone who wants something decent is going to have to stand. That includes dealing with the voter suppression, one way or the other.
The Puritans were elder dipshits.
Sure the founding father’s were progressive for their time (minus the misogyny, classism, and slave owning), but the Puritans never went away.
They just became the Know Nothing’s, the Confederates, the Dixiecrats, the moral majority, the tea party, and now MAGA.
It’s gonna take a big crowbar, or some other tool, to oust the billionaires from power.
Not very long anymore.
They will be so very far behind in all fields of tech and business because of the extreme conservativism. The world isn’t going to watch anymore who gets elected there, if at all. Nobody cares.
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Until the US military gets fried and the dollar collapses the rest of the world will care.
That day may not be far off, but it not here yet.
Edit- sinking the navy would do it.
You’ll have trouble finding someone worse than trump, but if you do I’m sure he’ll win with a landslide.
Meh you just need to find a man with a vision, and WW3 would be guaranteed
This country is actually hopeless at this point.
The Jesuits are actually about to do such, and they’ll force America to give herself (and her corporation thereof) to the Jesuit Superior General. America is already used as the intelligence and military (Jesuit mercenary) capital of the world after all.
Unrelated but relevant, London is used as the trade and finance capital of the world, while Vatican City is the political and religious capital of the world. This is where your leaders get marching orders (including going to Occupied Palestine, to kiss and place their hand on the wall of a ruined Roman fort.
Elections 2028:
90y old republican with dementia, salivating to the microphone
Vs
88y old democrat on wheelchair, suffering terminal cancer, taking painkillers directly to the bloodstream.
Unfortunately during the debate, republican saliva shorted out cables in the microphone, while Democrat fell into coma.
Elections are won by the republican, democrats are weeping on bluesky, wondering why people voted for a shitty president again.
The End.
clinton and obama were not that old.
They were also not progressive.
compared to what historical president?
I don’t think precedent applies here. And if you want a historical analog, consider the New Deal.
For which office? You guys already have elected progressives in some offices
Yes, we elected progressive presidents in the early 20th century. A century ago.
Then we decided in the 70s to stop being progressive.
Just look at who’s been winning all the special elections. The fascists either lock this shit in like Russia in the next 3 years or they’re fucked
They will be fucked for exactly 2 election cycles. 2026 and 2028. 2030 will be a red wave year. Calling it now.
Voters have memories worse than goldfish. Dems will be a shoe for the white house in 28 but will be lucky to hold it in 32 unless something historically tragic in the scale 9-11 or COVID happens in 31.
some people have speculated it would be better if people felt gop for more than 2 terms, maybe some of them will finally WAKE up. because the gop always expects the dems to fix things next term. schumers banking on the midterms winning in his favor thats why ended the shutdown early.
We just need to end the filibuster.
Americans need to feel the consequences of their votes and stop relying on gridlock to save them.
Liberals here just enable the fascists. I think OP was asking if we’d get something that isn’t just fascist enablement, if we’d ever have a situation where we broke out of this cycle you’re referring to with effective liberal policy instead of half-measures that just give the fascists an excuse to call liberals incompetent.
(I don’t think so)
