Newly unsealed court documents from the UK are revealing more details about the charges facing the Tate brothers, including rape and sex trafficking. CNN’s Carolina Peguero has details from Miami.
Rape is a confusing event involving disregard and disrespect for someone’s autonomy, words, sensations, and body. It’s disempowering, hurtful, and confusing, that’s part of why it’s traumatic. Parts of it exist in a gray area, whilst other parts are horribly negative.
People can and have been raped by people they were attracted to. In relationships with, or even people they married. That doesn’t make it harmless, or okay.
Saying “they’re probably gay so they might like it” is more the rapists viewpoint than someone understanding the victims. It’s like saying “they flirted with me so they obviously wanted it”. Or “she’s a slut she probably enjoyed it”.
… ultimately we have to understand these arguments and see them, so we don’t perpetuate that kind of thinking.
Remember that you’re defending the Tate brothers here. Do you even realize the impact these two assholes had on the world with their hate platform? The misogynistic and homophobic movement and trends they created? The number of young boys and men they influenced?
As I mentioned to someone else, people like them or Charlie Kirk deserve to suffer the same violence they preached and enabled.
I’m not defending anyone specifically, I’m defending EVERYONE against rape culture and the cycle of encouraging violence.
The idea that someone deserves violence IS the problem. People deserve clarity, a sense of self-awareness, a lifting up of intelligent responsibility to themselves and others.
“Corrective rape” or “corrective violence” won’t bring anyone closer to a sense of empathy, or intelligent responsibility to the community and others.
At some point we have to get past these views that violence is useful, or a way to fixing things. Ultimately a better society has to be constructed, that takes effort and thoughtfulness over time… You can’t violence your way to a better world. Ultimately you have to exercise, educate, communicate, and hence form the characters that you want to have in the world. That takes effortful care, not destruction and harm.
I don’t think the prison system will change the Tate’,s perspective, I don’t think a beating will either. I think being raised in a better society probably has the best chance.
To my mind, it’s not a society where certain people “deserve” violence for the violence they decided ithers deserve. You’re just going to end up with a lot of violence and resentment if that’s your model of life.
You need to have restorative, communicative, and peaceful form of justice, rather than a punishment and retribution model of justice. Ultimately someone has to build the better world.
Rape is a confusing event involving disregard and disrespect for someone’s autonomy, words, sensations, and body. It’s disempowering, hurtful, and confusing, that’s part of why it’s traumatic. Parts of it exist in a gray area, whilst other parts are horribly negative.
People can and have been raped by people they were attracted to. In relationships with, or even people they married. That doesn’t make it harmless, or okay.
Saying “they’re probably gay so they might like it” is more the rapists viewpoint than someone understanding the victims. It’s like saying “they flirted with me so they obviously wanted it”. Or “she’s a slut she probably enjoyed it”.
… ultimately we have to understand these arguments and see them, so we don’t perpetuate that kind of thinking.
Remember that you’re defending the Tate brothers here. Do you even realize the impact these two assholes had on the world with their hate platform? The misogynistic and homophobic movement and trends they created? The number of young boys and men they influenced?
As I mentioned to someone else, people like them or Charlie Kirk deserve to suffer the same violence they preached and enabled.
I’m not defending anyone specifically, I’m defending EVERYONE against rape culture and the cycle of encouraging violence.
The idea that someone deserves violence IS the problem. People deserve clarity, a sense of self-awareness, a lifting up of intelligent responsibility to themselves and others.
“Corrective rape” or “corrective violence” won’t bring anyone closer to a sense of empathy, or intelligent responsibility to the community and others.
At some point we have to get past these views that violence is useful, or a way to fixing things. Ultimately a better society has to be constructed, that takes effort and thoughtfulness over time… You can’t violence your way to a better world. Ultimately you have to exercise, educate, communicate, and hence form the characters that you want to have in the world. That takes effortful care, not destruction and harm.
I don’t think the prison system will change the Tate’,s perspective, I don’t think a beating will either. I think being raised in a better society probably has the best chance.
To my mind, it’s not a society where certain people “deserve” violence for the violence they decided ithers deserve. You’re just going to end up with a lot of violence and resentment if that’s your model of life.
You need to have restorative, communicative, and peaceful form of justice, rather than a punishment and retribution model of justice. Ultimately someone has to build the better world.
You’re supporting the exact rape culture that helped create the Tate brothers.
Sorry. I totally understand your point.