• AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social
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    As an EV owner, I have recieved an interesting amount of reasons why people won’t buy them:

    1. The autonomy is not real (so far it’s been in my case and in any case, in italy, for how people drive, the declared consumptions are all fake because people here only drives by pressing the accelerator to the bottom)
    2. What if there’s a blackout in the whole city and you can’t charge your car? (The whole city, for a long time? I’d be worried about other stuff, but go on…)
    3. What if all the public plugs are occupied when you want to charge and you find yourself without battery to go to "ork tomorrow? (ALL OF THEM? At the same time? And why are you waiting to charge your car until it reaches 1% charge?)
    4. What if you come back from a long trip and have a 10% battery remaining and then you recieve an emergency call and have to leave immediately and you can’t because the 50-60km you have in your battery are not enough to reach your destination? (I can get to a quick charge station and get 200km in 15mins or so? The world is not ending? And if it’s THAT urgent then I should be calling an ambulance anyway, because I probably need one)
    5. I don’t want an automatic car! I love changing my gear! (Thank fuck I got rid of the clutch and the gears… never been happier when I drive!)
    6. Ah… but the speed, the torque of a thermic sports car… (Dude, you can’t afford a sports car, what the thell are you talking about? And even if I can’t either and I have a pretty average EV, you should just press the accelerator of an EV to the bottom and see for yourself)
    7. But it’s all about the feeling… the sound… (oh, I get it now… you want to “feel powerful” making everyone look at you and your noise making machine… yeah, I can’t compete there, and I don’t even want to anyway)
    8. But the electricity is made by burning fuel! (Most of it comes from green sources and, anyway, what the hell do you think your car run on? Water? Are you not very intelligent?)
    9. But the lithium comes from child labor!! (Says while casually using their iPhone, wearing clothes made in a third world country…)

    After this, they usually proceed to make absurd claims like "I don’t care, I just don’t trust EVs.

    • Ziglin (it/they)@lemmy.world
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      1 month ago

      I feel like some of those points are slightly more valid in rural areas (especially in the US, where a power pole being knocked over means that the power is out for hours) where the people making those points are more likely to have grown up. Then again if you are not in a rural point of the united states you are less likely to need a car.

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        1 month ago

        If I lived in rural US where the power is not guaranteed I would install PV and use my car as a power backup.

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          That sounds rather expensive (if PV is photovoltaic). And I was not aware that cars were built to supply power like that.

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            Yeah, I meant photovoltaic with PV. At least in Europe it’s gotten really cheap.

            There are mutiple ways to use the energy that is stored in electric cards. There’s “Vehicle to Load” (V2L) for plugging appliances directly into the car, “Vehicle to Home” (V2H) for connecting your home to the car and “Vehicle to grid” for connecting the car to the power grid and selling the stored energy.

            “Vehicle to load” is also useful when going camping or when you need power when there’s no outlet near you. You just need a car that supports it and a small adapter.

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      1. I don’t want an automatic car! I love changing my gear!

      This is me. I have a hybrid car and I miss the stick every time I drive it.

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        The problem is those days are gone, even without EVs. Between modern automatics more efficient and longer lasting, and cheap reliable CVTs (also more efficient), manual transmissions have no future. I also prefer driving a stick, and frequently complained about limited availability in the US, but technology has passed it by

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          cheap, reliable CVT

          I may be out of date but Nissan’s CVTs self destruct very effectively and Subaru’s don’t handle the torque of the H6 so well. They’re still unpleasant to drive. Give me an EV every day.

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            My experience across three 2014+ Subarus with CVT has been flawless. Not the H6 though, all flat 4

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      1. Blackout

      Eh? What if there’s a gas supply issue? Can’t fuel up. I’ve experienced this after a natural disaster disrupted gas deliveries. Lines for blocks. Days to wait.

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      3.What if all the public plugs are occupied when you want to charge and you find yourself without battery to go to "ork tomorrow?

      It sounds crazy, but I’d sit and wait the five minutes, much like I’ve done for pumps on occasion.

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      Very much similar to my own experience. The blackout is the funniest, because gas stations don’t work in a blackout, while solar panels do (assuming you disconnect them from the grid).

      I would add one:

      • But I couldn’t drive 1.000km without stopping (how often do you do that? It doesn’t seem safe anyway…)
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      Here’s a financial argument. The initial purchase price is too high for me, and the depreciation of electric vehicles is also very high. Overall cost of ownership per distance driven is lower if I drive a small gasoline-powered car.

      I really don’t want it to be that way, but that’s the reality I have to deal with. Cheaper EVs are coming, but they still aren’t in my price range.

      Update: Yes they are. Needed to update my data. Used EVs aren’t expensive trash any more. Some of them are actually quite reasonable.

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        Must be a Europe thing. I ran the numbers in America and avoiding gas cost (vs electric cost per mile) means the car paid for itself after 30k miles. And that’s ignoring that it needs no maintenance.

        I thought European gas was expensive. Is the electricity over there also really pricey?

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      The best argument against the blackout bit: Ukraine

      Every single used budget EV was bought up by Ukrainians when the war started. Nissan Leafs, older Hyundai Ioniqs, Renault Zoes

      Gas stations were bombed and the whole logistic chain for delivering gasoline and diesel was disrupted or prioritised for the military

      But everyone had power at least for a part of the day, so they could charge EVs.

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      2: I wonder what those people think a gas pump runs on?

      If there is no electricity, then those won’t pump either.

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      have a 10% battery remaining and then you recieve an emergency call and have to leave immediately

      I actually have been in similar scenario, but one hour charging at home will get me to any such place (or I could have, you know, hit up a supercharger on my way)

      The complaint may be that it’s an emergency but how often can you not even wait an hour? Especially since it’s half gone by the time I unload the car, use the rest room, etc