We have /c/fuckcars but no /c/fuckplanes. Yet a lot of the same arguments apply. They cause air pollution (roughly double the amount per km traveled), noise pollution and they (airports) take up a lot of space near dense living areas. Sure, some places can practically only be visited by plane, just like some places can practically only be visited by car. But people don’t consider not having your holiday that far away or giving pushback on a busines trip that should have been an online meeting. Besides work-from-home being encouraged, work-from-home-country should be too.
Cars need to be discouraged in favor of busses, trams and trains. Planes nees to be discouraged in favor of high-speed trains, staycations and hopefully new alternatives like modern sailboats or electric planes.


Commercial air travel is very efficient. You just see the propaganda here about hating the rich and conflate it with private.
Relative to what?
Relative to how busses are more efficient to cars and how in general public modes of transport are much more effective than riding a massive tin can all by yourself.
If you drive an average car on your own, you emit only slightly more (10%) CO2 per km, compared to an average plane with average occupancy. Not that efficient tbh.
Doesn’t it depend on how full the plane is.
How many empty planes you’ve been on recently? I fly 4 or 5 times a year and rarely have an open seat next to me in eco+ much less regular economy. And if I do have space it’s on a red-eye.
Is it? The most optimistic numbers I’m seeing puts it close to car travel per km. An ICE car that is, not an EV.