Often, we call the stages of a star its “life cycle”, and I’ve been thinking about this for a bit.

Stars meet many of the requirements for living organisms: they can consume matter, they can react to stimuli (sort of, does gravity count? e.g. binary systems), they can reproduce (they expel gas clouds on death that can eventually create new stars), they can grow and change size over their lifespan, and they maintain equilibrium (between gravity and radiation pressure from fusion)

What stops stars from being considered living objects?

  • Lucy [she/faer]@mander.xyz
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    10 hours ago

    they can reproduce (they expel gas clouds on death that can eventually create new stars)

    I wouldn’t consider being eaten by a pregnant predator who then gives birth to be a form of reproduction even if I supplied resources to the born creature.

    they can grow and change size over their lifespan

    So can oceans but I don’t think it should count as growing.

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    18 hours ago

    I believe them to be another type of “locally anti-entropic self-regulating systems” (for lack of a better term) which are parallel to life but not alive perse, just other type of emergent behavior. Stars do not have a metabolism nor a way of reprodution without destruction of the system.

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    They don’t react to stimuli like gravity any more than a completely inanimate object.

    They also don’t reproduce. Dying and reforming is not reproduction. I’m not aware of anything already considered living that will die and reanimate.

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      10 hours ago

      I’m not aware of anything already considered living that will die and reanimate.

      Tardigrades? They can cease any metabolic activity and then wake up years later as if nothing happened.

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        3 hours ago

        But that isn’t really reproduction, and not comparable to the death of a star

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    1 day ago

    My personal definition of life includes the propagation of latent information—meaning that a “child” inherits something from its “parent” that isn’t visible to an observer but that nevertheless affects its potential behavior.

    Assuming we can see the size and chemical composition of the gas cloud out of which a star condenses, our current theory is that this completely determines the future behavior of the star. If that’s so, then the star wouldn’t be alive by my definition. But if there’s some unobservable quality that the star inherits from its parent and that does affect its behavior, I’d be willing to reconsider.

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      15 hours ago

      But why does it have to be unobservable? And if it is unobservable, how do you know that it is there?

      We know pretty well and can observe that children inherit the DNA of their parents. And nowadays we also know that it is not only the DNA, but the epigenetic postprocessing that gets (at least partially) inherited. So according to your definition if we ever fully understood how bacteria propagate and behave, it would not be alive anymore?

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    1 day ago

    You’re already considering it, so the trivial answer is: yes.

    The harder questions are: what do you mean by living? What do other people mean or understand by living? How does any particular definition of living help someone understand, communicate about and predict events?