Here are some reflections on my personal experience of federated social media.
A bit of background. In the 90-9-1 trichotomy, I am one of the 9%: an occasional active participant. As of 3 years ago I had been dabbling in social media since I was a teenager in the 90s, but never very deeply. Newsgroups and IRC; a bit of invisible blogging; various techie web forums; Twitter from 2008 (hardly any tweets); Facebook in the early 2010s (a post or two per week at the peak); then Reddit. As of 2023 I had been “on” Reddit for nearly a decade and not even written 100 comments. Then I decided on a whim to join Lemmy.
The good
Three years later I have written nearly 100 original posts and over 3000 comments! This is an order of magnitude more than I used social media in the previous 25 years. How to explain it?
A bunch of things. I liked the UX instantly, it’s much better than Reddit. No ads, so no nagging feeling that you’re bankrolling a corporation. A (slightly) higher level of conversation quality than Reddit.
Probably the single biggest explanation is just that it’s quieter. On Reddit I always arrived too late to the party. It’s hard to find the motivation to say something when a thread already has 800 comments. On Lemmy, I’d arrive 12 hours after the post and there were only 6 comments. If I take the time to compose my thoughts, somebody might actually see it! I get the paradox here (there are tons more eyes passively looking at Reddit), but the “quiet room” effect is real.
Highlights
Hands down the best community I’ve found hear is (no surprise) a specialized one: !birding@lemmy.world. Lots of original content and genuine expertise, zero vitriol or toxicity. Perfect. In a similar vein, !pigeon@mander.xyz, where you can literally post pics of pigeons to an adoring audience.
I’ve also got some value out of !linux@lemmy.world and !privacy@programming.dev for one of those reasons: the ambient expertise. It’s not really breaking news: Linux and FOSS and privacy are really the only subjects where the fediverse can go toe-to-toe with the corporates in terms of expertise. IMO that’s already an achievement that should not be squandered!
Quite a few of my 96 posts are original content (“OG”, ugh). A whole bunch are photos from my bike-touring escapades, which I posted somewhat arbitrarily to !bicycle_touring@lemmy.world , !bicycling@lemmy.world, and !solarpunktravel@slrpnk.net. I rationalize this as an alternative to blogging: instead of hosting your own invisible vanity website, you can write what you have to say in a place where you have less control but where people may actually read it. It’s the logic of social media, basically, but minus the ads and opaque algos and shareholders. As expected, my holiday photos were not viral sensations, but they did attract some love and a few nice comments. Success!
The less good
My experience on Lemmy has taught me something that I knew in theory but (somehow) not quite in practice: Socializing via text on a screen is quite hard to pull off successfully. The lack of physical accountability, the inherent difficulty of text communication (avoiding ambiguity without the help of a face or body language), all this tends to make people into worse versions of themselves. Me included to some extent, I’m sure.
And then there’s the echo-chamber problem. It turns out that when people have an option to avoid dealing with ideas they disagree with (even slightly), very many of them choose that option. IMO this is a major (perhaps fatal) problem with social media. The fediverse is not magically immune from it.
Lowlights
The first - and definitely worst - experience I’ve had was 2 years ago when I got banned from !europe@feddit.org for “racism and gaslighting” on the basis of, well, pretty much nothing except the moderator’s paranoia. Shut out of the single community that had most drawn me to Lemmy, I tried !europe@lemmy.dbzer0.com and in short order had a similar experience. I am a European liberal who votes green, and a moderate on social questions, although admittedly I do enjoy debate. To be shut down so brutally for daring to question progressive doxas in the politest terms - for me this was quite a shocking confirmation of the intolerance of a certain section of the (mainly US) left.
On !degrowth@slrpnk.net I got a virtual slap on the wrist for posting an article offering constructive criticism of degrowth. I’m basically a degrowther myself but I believe it’s important to stress-test one’s ideas (cf. J S Mill). The moderators politely disagreed. Fair enough. I deleted my post and unsubscribed.
The problem on !china@sopuli.xyz, meanwhile was (is) slightly different. It’s that the community is swamped by a single hyperactive member who posts relentlessly on exactly the same themes with the same POV, and - the echo chamber, again - responds badly to any pushback. I contacted the moderator in private and received a virtual shrug.
So I decided to ditch all politics and stick to photos and niche subjects. But even here it has not been plain sailing. A (slightly whiny) post I wrote a few months ago about the difficulty of installing Linux on cheap hardware (a pretty niche subject!) received an avalanche of mockery and insults that really took me aback. And then I really stirred up a hornets’ nest quite recently in this very community when I proposed a feature which would hugely improve my experience of Lemmy without affecting anyone else. Can’t link to that because it got (very belatedly) deleted, ostensibly because offtopic but in reality because the proposal was unpopular. In fact this was my last post on Lemmy to date. Probably not a coincidence.
Conclusions
For me personally, the jury’s still out. I’m pretty ambivalent about social media in general. Since The Atlantic introduced a discussion space a few months ago, I admit that I’ve transferred some of my energy there. And yes, it’s been a better experience. But the reason is no indictment of Lemmy: It’s that The Atlantic has a paywall, which essentially means I’m talking only to privileged people like myself there. I enjoy Hacker News even more, but that’s because it’s super specialized (politics is mostly banned), and professionally moderated, and also (attention: wild POV!) because it’s full of engineers and other spectrumy types who take a Spock-like approach to communication. The problems I’ve had on Lemmy are problems of all generalist social media, not specifically of the fediverse.
In my case what remains are the figures. Despite everything, I have contributed more, and more personally, on Lemmy than I ever did on the R-site or anywhere else. That has to count for something. Corporate social media is a manipulative money-driven spyware-fueled nightmare. The federated decentralized type is obviously, plainly, better. That’s why it has to succeed.


Unfortunately there’s loads of reddit style interactions on here. But at a structural level, it’s successfully set up differently from Reddit.
Will be good to see it flesh out more, and I hope it keeps growing.
FYI the Threadiverse is currently shrinking. After the Rexodus we had ~55k monthly active users, whereas now we are down to (but stable at) ~35k.
This is especially notable occuring as it does alongside Reddit actively killing off access to old-reddit and placing even stricter blocks on browsing new-reddit in a mobile browser rather than their shitty app.
I no longer hold out hope that the Threadiverse will ever grow (much) beyond this level, without some major interventions that expend effort to solve the current reasons why people keep leaving in droves.
One of those those being easier on-boarding for new accounts, which PieFed more or less solved, while another being toxicity, which seems to only get worse over time (perhaps moderator reports finally being able to federate in Lemmy’s upcoming v1.0 will help, but I am not holding my breath for that).
it won’t grow because it’s too weird and it’s for IT nerds.
it’s that simple. normal people want stuff like reddit that is easy to understand, easy to access, and shows them AITA style ragebait content, because that’s what they like to consume.
I mean… some do, yeah. But I did not enjoy such content (as e.g. AITA) when I was on Reddit, so it is definitely by no means all that do. (Then again, I am also here rather than there so… perhaps not the best argument for me to be pointing to right now:-P)
But what is wrong with wanting software to be easy to use, access, and understand?
When I receive a reply in PieFed, the web browser UI will auto-scroll down to it. Unless there are lots of comments, and then sometimes I have such an extremely difficult time finding a comment buried amidst all the others that I literally have to give up and go back to Lemmy to see it. This has gotten simultaneously both better and worse over the last year, in different ways. Rimu is unfortunately not much interested in the UX/UI side of things.
In Lemmy, my Voyager app (on multiple devices even!?!?!?) keeps forgetting my login password over and over again, making it difficult for me to use (I have no idea if that’s common or not, or like different when installed via FDroid vs. the Play/App stores?), so I gave up on it at least temporarily (who wants to have to remember their password?:-P).
So am now seeing your comment reply here in my web browser (Firefox on Android). Here I have to scroll WAAAAAAAAY the fuck down past this exceedingly long post to get to it (no quick button as Voyager offers, no auto-scroll to a comment reply and I believe Voyager does and definitely PieFed does as well), plus then toggle showing the parent so I know what we were both replying to, then start over again to scroll WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY the fuck down again, to finally be able to read and comprehend what you were saying.
If you ask me, we could stand to make things a little easier to use here. Maybe I can find a better app or make better use of one or something, but in any case I sympathize with new people who face all these same hurdles, yet do not know the structure of how things work here, nor even whether it will be worth their time to invest in order to learn.
oh i agree the UI and all that here isn’t great. it’s very 2000s internet.
but it seems new UI devs here like to inject their politics into their UI, at least with that whole Tesseract thing.
Only one but… yeah, yeesh, that’s even being mentioned in other social media platforms, like Mastodon and Bluesky, although ironically my DuckDuckGo search couldn’t find anything in Reddit.:-P
I will take some ownership of my experience and try out some other apps, but I do see where someone currently used to Reddit is going to feel like Lemmy is a very significant downgrade in terms of UX. PieFed is trying to help - adding support for things like user & post flairs, polls, emoji reactions, along with significantly stronger filters - but it has its own overly-opinionated “daddy must control everything” issues (though tbf, literally all of those are opt-out iirc, and better yet most are even opt-in).
Still, it’s too complicated for most non-technical normies to want to bother with, if the experience right out of the box is not good, and all the more so when there are these stories about how toxic we are floating around our there, making them wonder why they should even bother.
As it grows I think it will be much easier to justify a new person or instance in cutting off entire toxic areas and that will only cause it to grow faster.
Right now we all have to weigh the balance between activity and toxicity but eventually we shouldn’t need to make that calculation, we can have “high moderation” and “low moderation” versions of every topic.
I would love to see spaces for centrists and even right-wingers to discuss matters - how can anyone be expected to learn in a vacuum without that? However, I can see the argument that such a space need not be here.
I find it the height of irony that many right-wingers are much more able to discuss topics with one another than left-wingers - e.g. Jordan Klepper videos, especially his behind-the-scenes discussions about making those videos. Or perhaps a better formulation is that extremists/zealots are incapable of truly rational discussion regardless of political affiliation (though on top of that there truly seems something about the Right that facilitates ability to discuss matters more readily than the Left, with less judgement in advance than the incessant purity beatings, which seem to presume knowing the other person’s mind completely even before they’ve barely begun saying anything yet).
When you say the discussions "need not be here" do you mean c/fediverse@lemmy.world? Or all of discuss.online?
I meant the Threadiverse as a whole.
Often I see that phrase spoken by e.g. a trans person who does not want to deal with anti-trans language, and so would rather that their instance not federate so broadly than to encounter such in the wild. It makes sense to me - that’s literally the purpose for which blahaj was constructed, hence allowance of right-wing viewpoints goes counter to that purpose.
Or from pro-Palestinians who do not want to see anything other than rabid acceptance of that viewpoint either. Anyone who is wrong there is not acceptable to exist here, even in more entry-level spaces designed for such, and even if allowance of the latter might help to change people’s minds.
The Threadiverse is not a place for “open discussions”, it is a giant echo chamber reflective of the values of the majority. Tbf it could in theory be whatever people want, like if a right-wing instance were to be created (I think one does exist even!?) and then go to all the trouble of getting people to join it, but in practice it’s all just took much effort. The network effect is real. So if the majority of people here want to be a certain way then… that is that, and unlikely to ever change.
Sorry I need to backtrack for a moment. I don’t understand how you’re suggesting right-wing discussion need not be on the “Threadvisere as a whole”? How would that even be possible? It’s an open platform, instances don’t get to control other instances.
Including when you secretly mass moderate people, Patrick.