Which game?
sweden vs estonia. football
football fanatics being a pestilence as always
All these Swedes apologizing and me as an american watching this like, “so that’s what it looks like from the outside to apologize for your idiot countrymen.”
I’m so sorry and ashamed of those Swedes. Tallin is such a beautiful city. I hope the Estonian police can gather enough data and share it with Swedish police to identify and prosecute those idiots.
Make the clubs pay for this kind of thing and watch the problem disappear in record time.
There was a a daycare that was annoyed by parents that were always late to pick up their kids. This was a problem because it meant the staff would have to work late. So they decided to charge a fine when parents showed up late. Problem solved, right?
Parents were tardy more often after the fine were put in place.
The reason was that people who felt bad about their poor behavior no longer felt bad when they were compensating someone for it.
The Swedish fans pay for tickets which support the team. The ticket prices would go up when they behave this way. But we shouldn’t assume that it would be a deterrent. They might think that because they pay higher ticket prices, they now have permission to behave poorly.
Fair point, but I think it could be managed with the right model. It does not have to be a flat “replace the proven material damages” fine. There could be fixed (large) fines for any kind of significant misbehavior on top the the material damages, multiplication factors can be applied to material damages and adjusted until an effect kicks in, fines can be increased with repeat offenses, …
At some point clubs will just go bankrupt if they don’t take action against this.
Alternatively, instead of fines give them “yellow cards” or “red cards” depending on severity and ban them from the next game(s) accordingly, counted as an automatic loss in the league or tournament. Clubs will care about that a lot, same as most parents who might not care about paying a fine will care a lot about losing their daycare spot, if only for a short time.
I have never understood what the point of going crazy after a sports event.
If you let sports become an emotional experience, I have problems with you already, but allowing it to get you worked up into enough of a frenzy to just go out and break stuff just makes no sense at all.
If the outcome of a game affects you even one iota more than “oh well” or “yay”, then I already know you’re of caveman-level intelligence. Yes, I’m judging raucous sports fans, and I’m tired of pretending not to. Nothing should ever get you that worked up at all. Except maybe a ton of coke. Even life or death situations should be more chill than that.
I won’t even get that crazy when Trump dies, so sports fans have no reason to ever get like that. I don’t care about their ages or maturity either. Getting that worked up at all, ever, in any context is just proof of lack of self control.
And people act like it’s just normal. I see it mentioned after American football games too (usually I hear about it in reference to Philadelphia but I’m sure it’s talked about elsewhere too).
These people need to be force sedated during the game to prevent this from happening.
95% of people overlook the involvement of alcohol. I know you urinpeans love your booze, but you need to recognize that its a problem. I went out to a 4/20 event one year in the far off land of San Francisco, and everything was great until about 5pm when the liquor came out. Once morons started doing shots off park benches, the fights started, and the property destruction started. An otherwise peaceful and heavily medicated gathering turned into a riot with just a handful of handles.
Right, but other than sports, where else do huge masses of alkies all happen to be in the same spot?
People act like they can’t go anywhere or do anything without alcohol being available to overdose on. Sports? Alcohol. Restaurant? Alcohol. Fancy movie theater? Alcohol. Dinner party? Depends on the specific people involved, but fairly often, alcohol. Bowling alley? Alcohol.
Pretty much every social gathering that doesn’t specifically include kids has alcohol around. Even if we could get everybody to upgrade to (the entirely superior in literally every single possible way-and it’s not even close) cannabis, I wouldn’t recommend it being literally everywhere.
In big crowds it really shouldn’t be available at all. No context makes that a good idea.
Not sure why you’re shitting on Europeans, either.
As a native American, its pretty clear exactly why everyone should hate on Europeans when it comes to alcohol.
I suspect they are not actually in a state of extreme emotional turmoil when these things happen, but they rather just enjoy destruction for its own sake and don’t care about the consequences for others. The sports event is just an excuse.
Similar things unfortunately exist in other contexts, too. Recently I heard on similar behavior in the camping area of large music festivals being an increasing problem.
I tune out the moment people start talking about sportsball. I think a lot of the destructive side of things comes from a mob effect. You get a lot of inebriated people together, all high on their excitement, and it compounds. It’s not justified, but one potential reason.
People just never grow out of kindergarten. I still say nothing should excite anyone that much, at all, ever.
And alcohol rules being as loose as they are is total mayhem. Public alcohol should never have gotten this lenient. Staying prohibition didn’t exactly work out, but public events should be like one drink maximum. Maybe two. I dunno how to stop people, exactly, but bring dishes in public shouldn’t be possible.
I don’t think we should live with a limited set of emotions, just that we should control whatever we feel. I see nothing wrong with people being excited and overjoyed at something. Even if I find that something stupid and not worth my attention. It was worth theirs and they are excited about it.
My issues come at the destruction. Alcohol is a difficult topic. Prohibition of any substance just makes access more dangerous and less safe. There should probably be lower limits for public events though.
I hope the club responsible gets the bill in full, detailed and all. What a fucking travesty.
As a Swede I find this utterly embarrassing, and more than mildly infuriating. These are just criminals who use football as an excuse to hate on society.
Wi Semen?
How embarrassing.
This shows the difference between casual football fans that went to see the world cup (they were awesome) and hardcore football fans that are closer to terrorist organizations.
These shitstains don’t just get drunk and destroy things and attack people, they plan to do so ahead of time, this is just part of the fun for them
Man, as someone who lives near Gothenburg. I am so so sorry for my neighbors. Football brings out the worst of some. I love Tallin so this makes me really really sad
Damn, as a Swedish person. I’m sorry our football hooligans are a problem even here. I don’t known it was that bad though.
Perhaps more mildly infuriating is that the mods here seem to be on vacation
Swede here (and from GBG, Gothenburg), and I can only say I’m sorry for the shit stains that did this. I have no interest in sports so I really had no idea this was something that could happen. Fuck every single person who took part in this, they don’t represent us as a country and city at all. I hope you hate them for them, not the whole country and city. And I, and I’m absolutely certain most of us, share the absolutely deserved hate towards the people who did this. I hope there’s some way to get names and make those public, I’d love to make them feel unwelcome in their own home.
‘Ultras’ of any football club should be categorized as domestic terror groups or whatever. No matter the country, all they do is just smear graffiti, destroy public property, be drunk, starting fighta and being generally obnoxious POS. Football clubs should be liable for any damage those mfs do. And if that means that they need to raise ticket prices, good. Maybe this will discourage those mfs from going to the stadium.
Exactly.
People don’t join these groups because they like football.
They join because they want to get drunk, fight, and smash things up, and need an ‘excuse’ to do that, and similar people to do it with.
