Hundreds of Lindsay Clancy supporters, many wearing pink clothing emblazoned with phrases such as “Believe,” “She Needed Help” and “Peace For Lindsay,” gathered Thursday outside the courthouse where she is on trial in the killings of her three children.

Several of the 300 women, and a few men, said Clancy’s story resonated with them and that they wanted to raise awareness about how the mental health system treats women. Clancy’s lawyer does not dispute that she killed the children, but says she should not be held criminally responsible because she was mentally ill.

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    23 days ago

    I actually don’t watch Tiktok at all. I don’t even have an account, so there’s a problem with your own baseless claim off the bat. I never claimed her lawyer is saying he did it, I said I think he did it. There’s a distinct difference. I’ve been pretty clear that this was my opinion based on what I had seen and heard discussed. I have also encouraged people to go watch it themselves and come to their own conclusion.

    Patrick’s story is absolutley inconsistent. If you actually watch his questioning, he flip flops over and over on things. At one point, one of the prosecutors was asking him about the timeline, and he actually asked them what he did and they told him. He was getting his story from them instead of just being consistent.

    The CVS he called from is 3 minutes away from their house. And from what I have heard people discuss, the body temperature discrepancy places her outside before that call. As far as I am aware, we have heard no audio of that call. So the claim that she answered normally is heresay from Partick.

    The children were strangled while they had their hands tied behind their backs. That is what I am referring to when I talk about the knots. Not talking about what actually killed them, which is irrelevant.

    Patrick’s movements between the CVS and restaurant is when he was changing outfits. I have seen the footage and he is clearly wearing different shoes and pants between them. As far as him getting remarried goes, I have only heard people mention that. But your claim that he did not, is the first time I am hearing that.

    The work email and Apple Watch data I am referring to came up during her lawyer’s questioning. The lawyer brought it up with their ISP records. Patrick looked surprised, and suddenly his story didn’t align with his previous claim about the wifi being down. It’s been a few days since I watched that moment, so I don’t remember the specific time the email was sent from his work computer. But it was in that window of time he was allegedly out of the house.

    That came up during the trial, after they already began the case with her mental illness defense. She has zero recollection of the incident, so I don’t know see how it wouldn’t be possible for new details to emerge and shed light on what happened.

    I am certainly capable of believing she could have done it in a state of postpartum psychosis if the evidence proved it. But the reality is that the details of this are very messy on both sides. I have only ever said I don’t believe his story and that makes me feel like he did it. I don’t think there’s enough evidence to convict him of anything. But I also don’t think there’s enough to convict her of anything either. If I were on the jury, I would not convict her.

    If she did do it, then it’s a terribly tragic situation where she was failed by the medical system. But if she didn’t do it, I cannot fathom how horrible it would be to be in her position right now. Most of the main stream news reporting on this has already painted her as guilty. But seeing as how it is more muddy than that, I believe it’s only fair to look at the other side too. I am not ashamed to give someone a fair chance. If new information comes to light that proves she definitely did it, then I am certainly willing to change my opinion on it.

    I encourage everyone to look at all of the information, official filings, as well as the actual footage of the trial, and come to your own conclusion on it. I am not claiming he did it as a fact, it is my opinion that he may have. I just don’t want people to jump to the conclusion that she’s guilty because they read a headline. It’s far more complex than that.

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      22 days ago

      Ah, so you’re lying on purpose. I’m not even arguing with you anymore, because you’re deliberately spreading disinformation. I’m just correcting the record to keep others from eating your shit.

      Now that the trial has taken place in Plymouth Superior Court, the actual sworn testimony, forensic exhibits, and trial record directly disprove these claims:

      “If you actually watch his questioning, he flip flops over and over on things. At one point, one of the prosecutors was asking him about the timeline, and he actually asked them what he did and they told him.”

      • The Reality: Patrick Clancy testified on days 1 and 2 of the trial. His testimony of the timeline remained consistent with his initial statements, GPS data, cell records, and surveillance logs. At no point did prosecutors feed him his timeline, nor was he impeached by defense attorney Kevin Reddington regarding his whereabouts between 5:15 PM and 6:09 PM.

      “The children were strangled while they had their hands tied behind their backs. That is what I am referring to when I talk about the knots.”

      • The Reality: Autopsy findings, crime scene photos entered into evidence, and medical examiner testimony established that none of the children had their hands or wrists tied. Exercise resistance bands were used solely around their necks. The claim that the children were bound with “left-handed sailor’s knots” does not exist anywhere in the trial record.

      “The work email and Apple Watch data I am referring to came up during her lawyer’s questioning. The lawyer brought it up with their ISP records. Patrick looked surprised, and suddenly his story didn’t align with his previous claim about the wifi being down. The email was sent from his work laptop which was located in their basement, at 5:24…”

      • The Reality: This entire scenario is fabricated. No ISP records, basement work emails sent at 5:24 PM, or Apple Watch heart-rate discrepancies were ever presented during Patrick Clancy’s cross-examination or at any point in the trial. Patrick was logged on GPS and surveillance in Duxbury and Plymouth during that entire timeframe.

      “Patrick’s movements between the CVS and restaurant is when he was changing outfits. I have seen the footage and he is clearly wearing different shoes and pants between them.”

      • The Reality: The surveillance video footage entered into evidence from the Duxbury CVS and Three V Restaurant in Plymouth shows him wearing the exact same winter jacket, pants, and footwear. There was no outfit change.

      “As far as him getting remarried goes, I have only heard people mention that.”

      • The Reality: Trial testimony did confirm that Patrick and Lindsay Clancy have since divorced and that he has remarried. However, there is zero evidence connecting this to the events of January 2023.

      “The CVS he called from is 3 minutes away from their house. And from what I have heard people discuss, the body temperature discrepancy places her outside before that call.”

      • The Reality: Patrick didn’t just go to CVS; he drove to Plymouth to pick up dinner at Three V Restaurant (a 54-minute total round trip). Emergency medical responders and trauma doctors testified that Lindsay’s injuries and vital signs were consistent with having jumped just minutes before Patrick arrived home and called 911 at 6:09 PM.

      “That came up during the trial, after they already began the case with her mental illness defense… If new information comes to light that proves she definitely did it, then I am certainly willing to change my opinion on it.”

      • The Reality: Lindsay Clancy’s defense has never claimed she didn’t do it. Both the prosecution and defense agree on the physical act; the entire legal trial centered on criminal responsibility and postpartum psychosis. Defense witnesses—including clinical psychologist Dr. Paul Zeizel and forensic psychiatrist Dr. Phillip Resnick—testified that Lindsay suffered from severe postpartum psychosis and command hallucinations that drove her actions.

      Trying to frame Patrick Clancy ignores the physical evidence, video surveillance, phone records, and the explicit defense strategy presented in open court.