For people who already tried both, what’s the reason you’re sticking with GNOME or KDE as your desktop environment?
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GNOME3 was designed by absolute morons who refuse to hear anything that doesn’t support their echo chamber.
KDE is like a swiss army knife and the best part about it is just using the knife.
I needed a desktop environment with a UI that wasn’t intended to be hidden away. Or a desktop that wasn’t challenging the way that I intend to work with the computer.
KDE may be boring and it may not challenge any paradigms. But it works well and stays out of the way.
I use KDE. I found GNOME annoying and extemely opinionated. I also got turned off by it when I asked a question on mastodon like a year ago about an issue I was having with GNOME and an actual GNOME dev replied to me and essentially said I was using the DE wrong. basically I wasn’t using it the way the GNOME devs use it.
I always find it quite funny that when talking about KDE, your type of people always talk negatively about Gnome instead of just saying why you like KDE. It just reminds me of the little children I work with.
fine. KDE is more customizable, more configurable, more solid, better wayland support, doesn’t break scripts or addons when updated, and the devs nor the users (i.e. you) don’t have conniption fits if you knock it. I swear GNOME users are just like Omarchy users. heaven forbid you knock their poor choices.
Gnome employs Jeremy Bicha as a person convicted of sexual battery of a minor and as far as we know never notified other employees especially at conventions or other employee gatherings.
I’ll stick with KDE
Was his code already substituted on the codebase or not? And what components are currently tainted with his code?
This is just a cursory search. Debian says he’s still involved as of April this year, Gnome has him assigned to something as of last week.
https://contributors.debian.org/contributor/jbicha/
https://gitlab.gnome.org/Teams/Releng/AppOrganization/-/work_items/43
So he’s still active, I guess your witch-hunt will continue then.
GNOME is not a single entity, it’s hundreds of developers - it doesn’t assign things to people. It looks like he’s part of the releng team which gives him some responsibilities. The status quo will likely continue as he hasn’t committed any infraction, though some people will refuse to work with him i guess.
I mean, yeah. I’d rather not run software made by convicted child molesters or people who turn a blind eye to it much the same way i would assume we would also not like to run the lunduke distro. No witch hunt here, can’t change the past. What I’m more worried about is Gnome and Debian being cool enough with Bicha to have him be a spokesperson at their events.
Gnome has enough problems as it is, but this feels like throwing gas on the fire for their public image. KDE plasma is fine for me.
I’d rather not run software made by convicted child molesters
I get that sentiment, but what would you want to happen here, should he have just stayed in prison? Should he end up in a ditch somewhere? At some point reintegration into society needs to be happen, and i sure as hell think contributing to FOSS is a good deal better for everyone.
How is a credible accusation of a crime not an infraction of the code of conduct? Or would they rather wait until after the verdict to see if he should be removed definitely or not?
It’s not just an accusation, he’s been convicted. That’s why he’s on the sex offender registry.
GNOME doesn’t really employ developers, it’s mostly unpaid contributors with the occasional contract work. Canonical is the one that employed him - and no longer does.
He has spoken for gnome, Ubuntu, and Debian in the past. Ubuntu has separated themselves from Bicha. Gnome and Debian have not AFAIK.
I don’t believe he’s around anymore, he probably started using an alias once people “canceled” him. This is the internet after all, you’re one pseudonym away from a fresh start.
Gnome is simple and clean. It gets out of my way and functions the way I expect a modern DE to function.
I use KDE because it’s good and because GNOME is bad.
Gnome. Sublime flow, very polished. Simply works.
KDE can be OK but it is very overloaded on customization, not nearly as polished, and honestly I dislike that style it upholds. IMHO.
I’ve been running KDE now, almost exclusively, for almost 15 years. KDE works (by default) in a way similar to the way Windows XP worked in the late 90’s - late 2000’s. It felt familiar enough that I didn’t have to try and figure out most things that I wanted to do. The few things that didn’t work the way I wanted ( or felt they should) were easy enough to change. XFCE was similar (had a Windows 95-98 feel) but was not as configurable.
Gnome 2, I rather liked as it had a feel similar to Mac OS 8 from way back when I was in school, however I just never got along with Gnome 3. Everything felt… off. I can use it, Just don’t care for it. Same for most other DEs.
The way I use a computer changes frequently, having an overly opinionated desktop environment makes it feel like it’s not my computer. I like my computer to work for me at my current time and I don’t mind the inconvenience of modifying settings to get there. I would rather defaults just work but I’m not asking my computer to read my mind. I’ve settled with KDE but I often use other window managers and desktop environments. Last week I used twm for the whole week. Other than scaling issues it was fine.
The opinions of Gnome are not a match for mine.
KDE let’s me get really specific on the things I want to, and its well supported.
Just that simple for me!
KDE just works. The few things I want to change I can. GNOME by default is further away from what I want and you have to get extensions that break with updates to change anything.
I’ve been using KDE for about a decade now. It’s polished, and works well. Plus, it’s also highly customizable, so I’ve never had a reason to switch.
Did you ever try gnome? That’s what OP asked.
Yes, my sister uses Gnome, and I’m basically her IT support. I just don’t see any reason for switching. It’s too limiting for me.
I also used it for a month or two on my own machine before I switched back.
Over the years, I don’t think there’s many DE’s or WM’s that I haven’t tried to live with on a daily driver, such as KDE, Gnome, Cinnamon, Qtile, XMonad, I3, AwesomeWM, etc etc. What I found over the years was how much I appreciated a clean, simplistic UI for an operating system.
After spending multiple years on ‘window manager only’ setups (got fed up with updating configs on major updates, and got fed up with the amount of config I had to do), I returned back to KDE mainly for the intense amount of OOTB customisation. However, what I realised after a while was that I was just setting up KDE to look and behave like Gnome.
So 2 years after last using KDE, I’m now just using Gnome all the time. I like the workflow, on laptop personally I think the gesture navigation is better than any other DE, and I love the simplistic design. Plus extensions get me what isn’t included OOTB.
Downside to Gnome is when major updates occur and extensions break as a result, other than that I can’t think of much bad about Gnome
I think there’s not too many technical reasons to choose one or the other lol, just look up a couple of videos on Youtube and that might be enough for you to decide for yourself
or use https://distrosea.com/
There’s plenty of technical reasons. For instance, KDE implements the Wayland extension that allows for global push-to-talk in voice chat applications, while gnome doesn’t.
KDE looks modern, has features I didnt even know I wanted. Whatever I can think of wanting it’s either already there or I make a post on the fourm and its there in a month.
When I had an issue with an update removing something that I liked. I made a post and KDE devs added a toggle so I could keep the functionality I had before. Even though it was a minor thing they could have told me not to worry.
