Republicans in the late 19th century wanted to annex Canada. And the episode ought to serve as a warning for President Donald Trump.

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    Putting context/structure in to what I generally would consider mainstream is not moving the goalposts. It’s providing clarity on my position, and the rationale that I use to underpin it – sorta like what you were doing when you tried to frame ‘mainstream’ as “how many countries does it show in” in the prior post. I don’t consider a show mainstream unless it’s gotten enough ‘buzz’ to be discussed broadly in public – the small-talk at the office test is a good measure of that, especially as only things that are office-appropriate (acceptable broadly by the public) are kosher topics in most offices. You can’t exactly talk about risky stuff / niche interests without stepping on peoples feelings – having something like an open discussion in an office of something like the Residential School system, is an HR minefield. Similarly, “porn” isn’t mainstream to me, because it’s not openly discussed – even if it’s shown in many countries, meeting your criteria.

    Who pays matters. Would North of North be made without that cheque getting cut? If not, then its existence is dependent on USA funding/capital/investment. Cutting ties to the USA means giving up that funding. If there are businesses in Canada that are totally dependent on US money in other industries, and cutting the US ties will kill those businesses, I’d say they were effectively controlled by the US market too. That’s… sorta one of the big, primary problems with what’s going on. So much of our stuff is dependent on US trade/money.

    I didn’t drag out some wikipedia on OSFI. I worked in the banking sector, or auditing that sector, for decades. I’ve literally spoken to regulators / had meetings with them. I’ve watched how things like mergers, subsidiaries and other connected companies are treated by regulators. But please, do tell me what your experience is in the industry, such that you know better?

    Danielle Smiths antics are a symptom of the temperament of Albertans – just like Donald Trump is a symptom of the temperament of general Americans. If you can get pissed off at America, or make generalisations about the state of current American culture based on their “loudest political clown”, you can do the same with Alberta.

    Did I say the country falls apart, or are you attempting to attribute words/concepts to me that are laughable, in an attempt to discredit my perfectly reasonable position? I said that Canadians don’t have the same resolve, and that they’d rather maintain their current standard of living, likely to the point that they’d accept huge compromises on things like trade. Our government can’t function without Windows/Microsoft and the other big tech companies – or rather, the downgrade in functionality would be an intolerable trade off for the electorate, compared to caving on trade items – so they’d vote in people to cave.

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      having something like an open discussion in an office of something like the Residential School system, is an HR minefield. Similarly, ‘porn’ isn’t mainstream to me, because it’s not openly discussed

      Did you seriously just compare Indigenous history and television to porn?

      Thanks for saying the quiet part out loud. Your whole argument isn’t about economics—you’re just blatantly uncomfortable with any culture that doesn’t cater directly to straight white guys at a watercooler. The idea that something only counts as “mainstream” if it’s bland enough for corporate middle-management small talk is pathetic.

      Who pays matters. Would North of North be made without that cheque getting cut?

      Yes, literally. CBC and APTN commissioned and paid to produce it before Netflix ever bought distribution rights. You were completely wrong on the facts, and you still don’t grasp the basic difference between funding production and buying a broadcast license. Streamers buy our shows because they make money off them, not to do Canada a favor.

      I worked in the banking sector, or auditing that sector, for decades.

      “In banking, or auditing that sector” is classic anonymous resume-padding. If you actually spent decades in that room, you’d know the feds can’t just veto two private corporations selling a private asset on a whim without facing massive lawsuits. Regulators govern risk and solvency, not national sentiment. The government doesn’t step into private commercial sales just to soothe your personal anxiety.

      Canadians don’t have the same resolve… the downgrade in functionality would be an intolerable trade off for the electorate, compared to caving on trade items

      You mean you don’t.

      You keep typing paragraphs trying to convince me Canadians are spineless cowards who will surrender our sovereignty just to keep our Windows licenses and Netflix queues. You aren’t describing this country’s resolve. You’re just projecting your own complete lack of one.

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        You’re accusing me of being a racist / bigot, just because I say that topics such as the residential school system are not ‘safe’ work appropriate topics? Seriously? What fantasy world do you live in?

        The CBC / public funding is partially dependent on US funding via equity programs. I’m not sure how the APTN is funded, but I’d be interested to know if they’re self-sufficient, or if they rely on funding via public sources, which ultimately come from US sources as well. And as for whether they’d make it or not, what happened to other similar shows when Netflix’s funding disappeared? They’ve disappeared, because their survival is dependent on the US funding they receive.

        So, objectively, you’re wrong on the banking side. And unless you have some actual experience in that realm to offer up, I can’t really argue with you as you’re arguing on theoretical imagination as to how the systems work, and I’m basing my viewpoint in how it actually works through experience working in that industry. Don’t be bitter that other people have had more experience in an industry than you, and can speak with more authority.

        “You mean you don’t”. I’m the one who’s looking at the bigger aggregate pictures, and highlighting things like Alberta’s “general” support of Smith. Because I’m thinking outside my own perspective, and looking for broader societal data points to base my comments on. And because I can see most Canadians around me, doing/having done less to excise low-hanging US fruit type connections from their lives – and when asked, they don’t give a shit about trade stuff, they mostly just care to have their creature comforts / perks. Again, the basic fact that Canada is content to keep using / supporting all US services “on aggregate”, indicates we don’t give that much of a fuck about what’s going on.; we don’t care that the USA is “attacking us”, if caring means we need to consider ditching Microsoft. Alberta doesn’t care that their prem is a traitor, they still support her and trumpian style conservativism. Like she even spins it as “an approach that gets us better treatment from America!” … backstabbing the rest of Canada! And Alberta generally shrugs.

        You keep circling back and making these pissant character attacks against me, often using trite online-verbiage that hints at your own character. I think I’ll finally follow through and be ignoring this from now on. If you’d like to make some final closing personal attacks, have at it.

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          You didn’t just say it was an unsafe topic, you literally compared an Indigenous TV show to porn. Don’t play the victim now because you got called out on it.

          And claiming the US funds the CBC and APTN is complete bullshit. APTN runs on Canadian cable fees and the CMF, and CBC gets its money from Parliament. Neither of them is waiting on American cheques to exist. You’re just pulling things out of your ass at this point.

          Same with the banking. Still not one actual law or rule mentioned, just more “trust me bro, I worked there” because you don’t actually know how the feds could stop two private banks from selling an asset.

          This is the second time you’ve told me you’re leaving the conversation. You don’t need to give me permission for the last word. You’re just checking out because you’ve run out of bullshit to make up.