• 8oow3291d@feddit.dk
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    21 days ago

    So he is saying that Iran is not responsible for *checks notes* Iran selectively and deliberately hitting ships of third party nations not involved in the war? That is not how moral responsibility works. How old is he, 5 years old?

    • Eximius@lemmy.world
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      21 days ago

      Strait of Hormuz is not international waters. They are fully allowed to close it, at least on their side of the strait. When people ignore laws, usually there is a penalty and enforcement. Closure here is enforced by missiles.

      Whether Oman is a party in this war (given their harboring of US bases and military assets) is up to debate.

      • 8oow3291d@feddit.dk
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        20 days ago

        They are fully allowed to close it

        According to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), ships have a right to transit international straits like the Straight of Hormuz. Article 38 to be exact: https://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/unclos_e.pdf

        at least on their side of the strait.

        And as you say, their side. But it is quite clear that Iran has closed the whole thing, also the part Iran has no right to.

        Whether Oman is a party in this war (given their harboring of US bases and military assets) is up to debate.

        Has Oman allowed attacks from the bases (I don’t actually know)? If not, then Oman is not party to the war. But it seems pretty clear that Iran would not restrain itself in either case, right?

        And in any case, this is civilian ships, which are not valid targets even in a war.

        • Eximius@lemmy.world
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          20 days ago

          I dont know. Generally it gets a bit muddy at such a stage. Are they party to the war? Did they expressly forbid USA from using military bases to resupply from/attack Iran? Did Oman cushly stay silent and complicit playing both sides? Are trade ships that are trading with the enemy, not expressly and officially guaranteed by Oman not valid targets in a strait majorly controlled by Iran (even the Oman territorial waters are a bit silly once you take into account the geography)? (Not talking about people, but about infrastructure and supply chain)

          If anything, Iran, in its desperation, is fighting well against the superest most bigliest ultra fascist state in the making.

          • 8oow3291d@feddit.dk
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            20 days ago

            Generally it gets a bit muddy at such a stage.

            I think international law is actually pretty clear, in general. You don’t get to shoot at every ship that moves.

            Are trade ships that are trading with the enemy, not expressly and officially guaranteed by Oman not valid targets

            Iran is shooting all the ships. It is pretty clear that “legality” is not a concern Iran has.

            If anything, Iran, in its desperation, is fighting well against the superest most bigliest ultra fascist state in the making.

            This seems to be the root. You see that Trump/USA is evil here, which it is. And then somehow conclude that Iran must be good, if Iran is fighting against Trump.

            Iran is evil too. Fucking evil. Killing innocent civilians deliberately and laughing at it evil.

            There is a trend of ignoring how evil some of the Muslim groupings in the Middle East are. That has got to stop. It almost seem like “white man’s burden” - as if people think Muslims don’t have agency to know right from wrong.