Enough of them did, and even more have joined-up recently-enough to know exactly who they would be taking orders from. Your argument doesn’t hold water.
No specific commenter is obligated to reply to your non-sense or do your research for you. “Enough of them did” was more info than your “request” merritts.
Asking to put up or shut up is a fair request. They aren’t obligated to respond to that request, but it’s equally fair to then assume their statement is rectally sourced.
Imagine doing fuck-all to prove me wrong, not even bothering to make a counter-claim, then referring to my, TRUE, statement as “rectally sourced”.
Maybe I didn’t have to look it up immediately before commenting, because I’ve looked it up many, many, times before when bothering such obligatory things as "you are wrong, and this is why."
See what I did there?
Good job doubling-down on a double-down. I’ll go up and add that link to my earlier comment, so no one need dig down here to see your laziness and shame, which to spell it out again: you made zero claims(beyond “rectally sourced”, yawnwithatootforya*), and provided nothing in the way of substantiating your ignorant bullshit.
The suggestion that the person making the claim is responsible for substantiating that claim made you throw a tantrum. If you’re that fragile, maybe the Internet isn’t the place for you.
Iv not replyed because your not worth replying to, everyone else here understands what I’m saying but you, sounds like a you problem.
Enough voted on it and now they’re stuck with that they’ve got wanted, now it’s time to own it. Don’t like it then I suggest you don’t reup jarhead.
You did reply. ‘Not worth replying to’ - parroting the others, riding the popularity…
‘Jarhead’ is a word-it does not apply to me. Using inciteful words you do not understand or rather do not understand the intended target (me) whom you’ve not taken one ounce of effort to understand
While
Making a simple, short, low effort claim, I see this and I want more information to understand your positions more clearly.
You, on the other hand, could not care less about what my position is even though I am in a place to understand this issue on a more intimate level…
Group X v Group Y
The less those two groups attempt to understand eachother the more likely chaos, division, hatred, and or violence is to occur.
See this is why i didn’t respond to you initially, your just doing that stupid redditer pseudo intellectual rutine, trying to use logic on a offhand observation that wasn’t anything more then a jab at the American military complex. I insult them because they’re a v. clearly an imperialist body and if your too dumb to realize that then Im not going to waste my breath on you, america has been made fun of for being oil hungry meddlers for decades.
you stupidly singled stuff out like ‘solider boys’ as if it was a gotcha. as Machinefab812 pointed that out, many voted for them just shy of 50% and now this is what they have to look forward to, you going ‘who, what, way’ like a child will get you about as far as a child and i really don’t think i need to add any more to this convo cuz its a waste of time.
Americans are bombing the shit out of civilian infrastructure in Iran, based on not liking the actions of an unelected oppressive authoritarian regime. Americans and Israeli’s at the moment are pretty much indiscriminate when it comes to who they’re killing.
And online, you and many other American supporters whine saying “Not all of us are like that!”. No one fucking cares that a minority of your country are sending thoughts and prayers, while your country is bombing civilians and openly, flagrantly, committing war crimes – LAUGHING about committing those war crimes at your state of the union even. “haha, we destroyed Venezuela’s fishing industry by illegally murdering a bunch of innocent fishermen! LOL!”. Many of us care even less about how the people complicit in CARRYING OUT those war crimes are being treated by the US government.
“We went to Iran to kill civilians, and they’re not feeding us well!”. Boo fucking hoo.
And online, you and many other American supporters whine saying “Not all of us are like that!”.
I am American, I am not an ‘American Supporter’.
I agree the ‘not all of us are like that’ argument is bad.
Im fact I hate that the country is doing what it is doing and has been for so long. It sucks, its embarrassing.
What I am I really saying is that responsibility for the acts of violence, is often attributed to the ‘wrong’ people. And so I was seeking some clarification.
I would agree with a Dutchman or an Iranian saying ‘America and all of its citizens are responsible for the violence, and it is bad’. I can accept this is a fairly true snd congruent statement.
I would not agree with an American saying that an unspecified group of people (individuals)onboard a ship are responsible for the violence whilst they share no responsibility in it, are morally superior and clean.
‘CARRYING OUT’ also would require some explaining.
If were to host Nuremberg 2.0 for America. ‘CARRYING OUT’ could mean lots of things.
The fact is that the causality of our acts of violence are distributed—and if we begin to assign levels of complictness to individuals and groups we ought to do so carefully. Voting, for example, is not the only way one can be complicit (or increase their complictness). Agency is a real factor.
I just think that (1) its mentally easy to quickly assign blame on others, (2) it is not necessarily accurate when one does not specify whom (which person(s) (3) or aligned with the current international legal standards for crimes or violations. It might be unreasonable to expect ‘everyone’ to hold the same values as high level policy makers, but it is a point to be made.
But the statement that all are complicit but not responsible is a modern accurate statement in my viewpoint.
All Americans that pay taxes are complicit. Unless they have made every reasonable attempt to leave the country. (Myself included).
There are varying levels of responsibility and accompanying guilt- but this is sort of a slippery slope to think like this but it is true.
An international trial would not convict all Americans of a crime and then sentence them. The trial would convict ‘natural persons’ whom made the decisions, and also ‘natural persons’ whom performed aggression such as a drone operator, possibly aviators, (but only true in Nuremberg to a limited extent ) but there are thousands aboard the ship whom are indeed complicit but
I would not sentence them to death, writ large, or else. At the most a fine or some injunctions regarding federal or military employment and or voting.
The wars in Sudan—
The war in Ukraine–
I feel bad for all of them, I know many Russians are forced to die at the hands of the state.
To much lesser degree some Americans are forced to facilitate war thru less bold or violent mechanisms.
Undoubtedly the Iranians noninvolved are suffering orders of magnitude greater than the ‘boys’ ln ship.
But comparing suffering is not helpful on the individual level. The system level, it is certainly.
Even though some I feel bad for may be responsible or complicit in the violence.
No man, your country voted for him and 30% didn’t give enough of a shit to vote either way, that’s complicity and frankly I don’t think om going to be going out of my way to associate with them over this.
To the ineffective libs still in America, you wanna actually hurt Donald. Move to a dif country.
You stupid, or just have no standards when it comes to picking fights?
I didn’t bother calling myself better than any other American; I HOPE you have the sense to choose the bear in the forest over my company, as I would also choose the bear rather than needing to find a place to dispose of an un-pleasant stranger’s carcass if you, I mean “they” as in “not you, wink”, bothered me too much.
I AM no better than my country-men. That doesn’t mean I have to approve of, hold my peace, or pretend to support their latest foray into idiocy.
If you want the truth, I DO APPROVE of the damage its doing to our empire and the delusion of the international rule of law. You know, that thing that rubber-stamps assassinations, genocides of local tribes that oppose corporate land-thefts/pollution, and fucking blockading sovereign island nations for wrong-think?
I DO NOT MIND the resulting chaos, but it seems you do. If you had any sense at all, you wouldn’t go attacking even horrible people when they are agreening with you and wishing you well, or proping the depths of hatred and rage seething in those who disagree with you too deeply. I don’t hate minorities enough, but as a good American I have a lot of hate that needs a home. These idiot sailors who didn’t learn the lessons of the Gerald R Ford or Fireball Luigi well enough, they make as good a target as anyone.
I ate like a King in Iraq btw. Doesn’t mean I care if these sailors eat anything even as nutritious as shoe leather. My personal vote didn’t put them there though; I voted for the cop, against my every instinct, and now the DNC wants to run her AIPAC-bought Cop-ass against Trumperpstein again. If the world is lucky, the US will implode further either way.
We can talk all the shit we want about our soldiers and it will never equal the amount of disrespect they get from the United States government.
You know, if you’re one of them reading these comments, fighting for the fascists is a choice you are actively making. When you hear vets from the past saying they risked their life for our freedoms, you don’t get to say that anymore. If you won’t risk jail or a dishonorable discharge for your country then you definitely won’t risk your life for it. Which is exactly why the current military are either craven losers or authoritarian white supremacists. A bad look, if you ask me. This is their choice, and they made it. We should force them all to lay in that bed for as long as this country remains.
So i don’t respect the military, but apparently those fascist enabling bitches like that treatment.
whats wrong soldier boys, don’t like what uncle sam is serving you? maybe they should have made better choices when voting.
Bet your commanding officer is starting to look pretty tasty right about now…
Can you expand upon this?
Soldier boys (men and women)
They (all of the people currently in the military? )
All voted for politicians who are in offices now?
Please explain
This is probably copy paste from Facebook
Enough of them did, and even more have joined-up recently-enough to know exactly who they would be taking orders from. Your argument doesn’t hold water.
Incorrect My argument was asking for more information and the commenter has yet to make reply.
No specific commenter is obligated to reply to your non-sense or do your research for you. “Enough of them did” was more info than your “request” merritts.
Asking to put up or shut up is a fair request. They aren’t obligated to respond to that request, but it’s equally fair to then assume their statement is rectally sourced.
Imagine doing fuck-all to prove me wrong, not even bothering to make a counter-claim, then referring to my, TRUE, statement as “rectally sourced”.
Maybe I didn’t have to look it up immediately before commenting, because I’ve looked it up many, many, times before when bothering such obligatory things as "you are wrong, and this is why."
See what I did there?
Good job doubling-down on a double-down. I’ll go up and add that link to my earlier comment, so no one need dig down here to see your laziness and shame, which to spell it out again: you made zero claims(beyond “rectally sourced”, yawnwithatootforya*), and provided nothing in the way of substantiating your ignorant bullshit.
The suggestion that the person making the claim is responsible for substantiating that claim made you throw a tantrum. If you’re that fragile, maybe the Internet isn’t the place for you.
Iv not replyed because your not worth replying to, everyone else here understands what I’m saying but you, sounds like a you problem. Enough voted on it and now they’re stuck with that they’ve got wanted, now it’s time to own it. Don’t like it then I suggest you don’t reup jarhead.
Popular agreement does not equate to correctness.
You did reply. ‘Not worth replying to’ - parroting the others, riding the popularity…
‘Jarhead’ is a word-it does not apply to me. Using inciteful words you do not understand or rather do not understand the intended target (me) whom you’ve not taken one ounce of effort to understand
While
Making a simple, short, low effort claim, I see this and I want more information to understand your positions more clearly.
You, on the other hand, could not care less about what my position is even though I am in a place to understand this issue on a more intimate level…
Group X v Group Y The less those two groups attempt to understand eachother the more likely chaos, division, hatred, and or violence is to occur.
See this is why i didn’t respond to you initially, your just doing that stupid redditer pseudo intellectual rutine, trying to use logic on a offhand observation that wasn’t anything more then a jab at the American military complex. I insult them because they’re a v. clearly an imperialist body and if your too dumb to realize that then Im not going to waste my breath on you, america has been made fun of for being oil hungry meddlers for decades.
you stupidly singled stuff out like ‘solider boys’ as if it was a gotcha. as Machinefab812 pointed that out, many voted for them just shy of 50% and now this is what they have to look forward to, you going ‘who, what, way’ like a child will get you about as far as a child and i really don’t think i need to add any more to this convo cuz its a waste of time.
Americans are bombing the shit out of civilian infrastructure in Iran, based on not liking the actions of an unelected oppressive authoritarian regime. Americans and Israeli’s at the moment are pretty much indiscriminate when it comes to who they’re killing.
And online, you and many other American supporters whine saying “Not all of us are like that!”. No one fucking cares that a minority of your country are sending thoughts and prayers, while your country is bombing civilians and openly, flagrantly, committing war crimes – LAUGHING about committing those war crimes at your state of the union even. “haha, we destroyed Venezuela’s fishing industry by illegally murdering a bunch of innocent fishermen! LOL!”. Many of us care even less about how the people complicit in CARRYING OUT those war crimes are being treated by the US government.
“We went to Iran to kill civilians, and they’re not feeding us well!”. Boo fucking hoo.
And online, you and many other American supporters whine saying “Not all of us are like that!”.
I am American, I am not an ‘American Supporter’.
I agree the ‘not all of us are like that’ argument is bad.
Im fact I hate that the country is doing what it is doing and has been for so long. It sucks, its embarrassing.
What I am I really saying is that responsibility for the acts of violence, is often attributed to the ‘wrong’ people. And so I was seeking some clarification.
I would agree with a Dutchman or an Iranian saying ‘America and all of its citizens are responsible for the violence, and it is bad’. I can accept this is a fairly true snd congruent statement.
I would not agree with an American saying that an unspecified group of people (individuals)onboard a ship are responsible for the violence whilst they share no responsibility in it, are morally superior and clean.
‘CARRYING OUT’ also would require some explaining.
If were to host Nuremberg 2.0 for America. ‘CARRYING OUT’ could mean lots of things.
The fact is that the causality of our acts of violence are distributed—and if we begin to assign levels of complictness to individuals and groups we ought to do so carefully. Voting, for example, is not the only way one can be complicit (or increase their complictness). Agency is a real factor.
Just as an aside, I read this essay from a Russian the other day, especially, “not all Russians are responsible but all are complicit”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/09/i-had-poked-the-bear-right-in-the-eye-my-fight-to-renounce-my-russian-citizenship
Ill give it a read.
I just think that (1) its mentally easy to quickly assign blame on others, (2) it is not necessarily accurate when one does not specify whom (which person(s) (3) or aligned with the current international legal standards for crimes or violations. It might be unreasonable to expect ‘everyone’ to hold the same values as high level policy makers, but it is a point to be made.
But the statement that all are complicit but not responsible is a modern accurate statement in my viewpoint.
All Americans that pay taxes are complicit. Unless they have made every reasonable attempt to leave the country. (Myself included).
There are varying levels of responsibility and accompanying guilt- but this is sort of a slippery slope to think like this but it is true.
An international trial would not convict all Americans of a crime and then sentence them. The trial would convict ‘natural persons’ whom made the decisions, and also ‘natural persons’ whom performed aggression such as a drone operator, possibly aviators, (but only true in Nuremberg to a limited extent ) but there are thousands aboard the ship whom are indeed complicit but
I would not sentence them to death, writ large, or else. At the most a fine or some injunctions regarding federal or military employment and or voting.
The wars in Sudan— The war in Ukraine– I feel bad for all of them, I know many Russians are forced to die at the hands of the state. To much lesser degree some Americans are forced to facilitate war thru less bold or violent mechanisms.
Undoubtedly the Iranians noninvolved are suffering orders of magnitude greater than the ‘boys’ ln ship. But comparing suffering is not helpful on the individual level. The system level, it is certainly.
Even though some I feel bad for may be responsible or complicit in the violence.
No man, your country voted for him and 30% didn’t give enough of a shit to vote either way, that’s complicity and frankly I don’t think om going to be going out of my way to associate with them over this.
To the ineffective libs still in America, you wanna actually hurt Donald. Move to a dif country.
You stupid, or just have no standards when it comes to picking fights?
I didn’t bother calling myself better than any other American; I HOPE you have the sense to choose the bear in the forest over my company, as I would also choose the bear rather than needing to find a place to dispose of an un-pleasant stranger’s carcass if you, I mean “they” as in “not you, wink”, bothered me too much.
I AM no better than my country-men. That doesn’t mean I have to approve of, hold my peace, or pretend to support their latest foray into idiocy.
If you want the truth, I DO APPROVE of the damage its doing to our empire and the delusion of the international rule of law. You know, that thing that rubber-stamps assassinations, genocides of local tribes that oppose corporate land-thefts/pollution, and fucking blockading sovereign island nations for wrong-think?
I DO NOT MIND the resulting chaos, but it seems you do. If you had any sense at all, you wouldn’t go attacking even horrible people when they are agreening with you and wishing you well, or proping the depths of hatred and rage seething in those who disagree with you too deeply. I don’t hate minorities enough, but as a good American I have a lot of hate that needs a home. These idiot sailors who didn’t learn the lessons of the Gerald R Ford or Fireball Luigi well enough, they make as good a target as anyone.
I ate like a King in Iraq btw. Doesn’t mean I care if these sailors eat anything even as nutritious as shoe leather. My personal vote didn’t put them there though; I voted for the cop, against my every instinct, and now the DNC wants to run her AIPAC-bought Cop-ass against Trumperpstein again. If the world is lucky, the US will implode further either way.
We can talk all the shit we want about our soldiers and it will never equal the amount of disrespect they get from the United States government.
You know, if you’re one of them reading these comments, fighting for the fascists is a choice you are actively making. When you hear vets from the past saying they risked their life for our freedoms, you don’t get to say that anymore. If you won’t risk jail or a dishonorable discharge for your country then you definitely won’t risk your life for it. Which is exactly why the current military are either craven losers or authoritarian white supremacists. A bad look, if you ask me. This is their choice, and they made it. We should force them all to lay in that bed for as long as this country remains.
So i don’t respect the military, but apparently those fascist enabling bitches like that treatment.