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  • cynar@lemmy.world
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    29 days ago

    Not quite. Lithium ion batteries have 2 advantages. Massive capacity (per kg) and a very low internal resistance. The latter is amazing for getting bursts of power, with little to no voltage sag. Unfortunately it’s also the reason failures are so spectacular.

    A lithium ion battery can dump a huge amount of energy (internally) in a short time. This leads to spectacular amounts of heat and fire. Other lithium chemistries are not so volatile.

    E.g. lithium iron phosphate batteries have a small hit to capacity (about 80%) and a lower peak current. Their ability to self destruct is far less.

    In short, it’s the combination of the amount of energy and how quickly it can dump out in a failure mode.

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      28 days ago

      I feel bike batteries don’t need to dump power quickly due to their nature, but I have been wrong before.

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        28 days ago

        They need a moderate spike to get the motor moving, then a steady current to keep it going.

        E.g. my ebike is 250W @ 36V. That’s 7A at full (continuous) power. A lithium ion battery can be discharged at around 10C while a lifepo4 battery can only do 1C discharge. My 13Ah battery could handle it, even with the 20% capacity loss at 0.67C (7/(13*0.8)). A 500W version would exceed the battery rating however, if it’s lifepo4, while being fine with lithium ion.

        Basically, lifepo4 batteries could handle a low end ebike, but would likely still want some super capacitors for spikes. They would need to scale up significantly in size to handle more powerful motors.