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geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml to United States | News & Politics@lemmy.ml · 18 days ago

US "leftists" in a nutshell

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US "leftists" in a nutshell

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geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml to United States | News & Politics@lemmy.ml · 18 days ago
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  • crandall@lemmy.today
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    18 days ago

    Can’t it be both?

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      18 days ago

      US leftists say no

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        18 days ago

        I’ve genuinely never seen that kind of behavior from leftists in the US.

        At the end of the day, all of us want to make the world we live in a bit better. And things can improve, especially if we build community.

        But you’re giving the same energy as Andrew Tate and other manfluencers.

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          It’s almost all of them. Here’s a great video with tonnes of examples https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zb6fZCqdrQ

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          I’ve genuinely never seen that kind of behavior from leftists in the US.

          Probably because you’d only ever seen patriotic socialist before joining Lemmy, and not international, anti-imperialist socialists.

          But you’re giving the same energy as Andrew Tate and other manfluencers.

          Make this make sense. Andrew Tate is even more America first than patsocs are, while we reject imperial core patriotism altogether.

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            When I compared you to Tate and other manfluencers, I was comparing your energy to his, as well as I was comparing your drive to create division.

            America is in a pretty dark place right now. We can only make incremental changes until a enough of us our ready to make revolutionary changes - otherwise, those changes would have been made. There’s only enough energy for us to fight our battles. And only so much any one person can do.

            Ultimately, I’d like to see a global community where everyone is thriving, and no one’s labor is being exploited. We get there together. I’m not sure what country you’re in, but I’ve seen a lot shifting right in recent years, subtly and incrementally. If you’re in one of those countries, I hope you fight back against it sooner than we did (or will).

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              I was comparing your energy to his

              You’re comparing misogynist/transmisogynist energy to that of a feminists & trans allies? Again, make it make sense.

              I was comparing your drive to create division.

              What I & others are trying to do is educate & agitate for real change, not to sheepdog people back to bourgeois democracy as the end-all be-all, nor to vote Blue no matter who[1], which we know won’t work. We didn’t get women’s suffrage or the forty hour work week through the ballot box, but through militant action, through strike action.

              We get there together.

              We don’t actually, at least not all at the same time. Some states will get there sooner than others. The imperial core, where you & I live, certainly won’t be the vanguard for change, in fact they’re the biggest obstacle.


              1. Previously: Unless you live in a swing state, it costs nothing to vote left of genocide. There is no downside, and it may make the Democratic party sweat enough to move slightly left. The party isn’t going to move left if they know you’ll always vote blue no matter who: all that does is make you a reliable and politically irrelevant punching bag. ↩︎

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                Your cited sources support Russia, but not Trump’s US. Make it make sense.

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                  17 days ago

                  You have the same energy as Adolf Hitler

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                    17 days ago

                    Okily dokily.

                    Trump’s US has done more to dismantle NATO than your favorite boy, Putin.

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                  Okay.

                  Previously:

                  • Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
                  • Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
                  • Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
                  • BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
                  • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
                  • Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
                  • The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
                  • The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
                  • WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
                  • Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
                  • The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
                  • openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
                  • Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
                  • Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
                  • Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
                  • Internationalist 360°, 2022–2024: History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
                  • NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide

                  Previously:

                  • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
                  • WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
                  • openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
                  • NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
                  • https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/40th-periodic-report-human-rights-situation-ukraine-treatment-prisoners
                  • https://www.npr.org/2023/01/31/1152743054/human-rights-watch-ukraine-landmines
                  • CNN coverage of Donbas in 2014 https://xcancel.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296
                  • https://mronline.org/2023/07/30/russia-donbass-and-the-reality-of-the-conflict-in-ukraine/
                  • https://www.kanekoa.news/p/osce-reports-reveal-ukraine-started
                  • HRW https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/20/ukraine-widespread-use-cluster-munitions
                  • Donbas documentary 2016 https://youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs
                  • Ukraine in Donbas https://ingaza.wordpress.com/2022/08/10/what-ive-seen-of-ukraines-war-crimes-against-civilians-in-the-donbass-over-the-years/
                  • Poroshenko saying the quiet part out loud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHWHqj8g7Bk

                  Previously:

                  NATO expansion:

                  • George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
                  • Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
                  • Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
                  • Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
                  • Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine

                   
                  NATO in general:

                  • The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
                  • CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
                  • Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
                  • Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
                  • Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It

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