I get the argument in favour for that, but it doesn’t change the fact that this is rigging elections. It only makes the US more of a functioning democracy again (which it isn’t currently) if it helps in getting both sides to agree to outlaw election rigging by gerrymandering. I would not hold my breath.
I agree that it could lead to finally banning gerrymandering entirely, but I don’t consider it rigging. It’s legal, so it’s just a form of Hard Ball, and the Dems wouldn’t be doing it if MAGA hadn’t done it first.
It’s about time the Dems started fighting fire with fire.
Yes, it is legal, election rigging via gerramandering is legal in the US. That’s the problem.
Fighting rigging with rigging, can reestablish a balance, but it doesn’t make the system more democratic or elections fair.
The problem is that election rigging is transferring power of electing someone from the voters, to the currently elected party, which in turn just fortifies their position and makes transition of power ever harder.
I still wouldn’t call it rigging, because it IS legal. It’s more like influencing in a legal manner.
Is it fair? No, but it’s legal, so it’s NOT rigging, by definition. It’s the same with the Electoral College. There are ways to manipulate it, and they aren’t specifically illegal, so it’s not rigging.
Make gerrymandering and Electoral College illegal, and then manipulating them would be rigging.
It is functionally election manipulation, making it much harder for election based overthrow of government, just out in the open and legal. If that is enough for you to not call it rigging, so be it. It doesn’t change what it is and what it does. Remove voting power from the electorate transferring it to the party/parties currently in power.
I criticise what it is and what it does, not the terminology. The issue is that this is not the only major deficiency in the US election system. Another one being that effective limitless bribing of parties, via election campaigns has been legalised as well. Yes, you might also come in and say, because it is legal it is not bribing. I don’t care. It functionally is, legally, call it whatever you like.
On top of that, the Electoral College almost seems benign as it is different, even though it is highly problematic as well. It is as such not changing, ie manipulating the outcome of the election in a dynamic matter, depending on who was previously in power in the state. It is my understanding, that while the voter will could be ignored, it is still the case that the electoral college is basically just doing what the state level results would suggest.
There has been a lot of MAGA discussion about gaming the Electoral College as well, like splitting a state’s votes between parties. Its the next frontier after gerrymandering, although the gerrymandering thing hasn’t worked out so well for them this time, so maybe they’ll reconsider messing with the Electoral College.
Ah, who am I kidding? These MAGA morons never learn from their mistakes, they just blame somebody else, and keep being stupid.
Sure. The Electoral College is certainly a weak point as well, but giving all those other gaping weak points, reaching all the way up to the top of the judiciary, I’d be surprised if they’d even need to exploit the Electoral College. But never say never.
I get the argument in favour for that, but it doesn’t change the fact that this is rigging elections. It only makes the US more of a functioning democracy again (which it isn’t currently) if it helps in getting both sides to agree to outlaw election rigging by gerrymandering. I would not hold my breath.
Don’t take the high road because Republicans are rat shit traitors and will sting you like the scorpion on the frog.
I agree that it could lead to finally banning gerrymandering entirely, but I don’t consider it rigging. It’s legal, so it’s just a form of Hard Ball, and the Dems wouldn’t be doing it if MAGA hadn’t done it first.
It’s about time the Dems started fighting fire with fire.
Yes, it is legal, election rigging via gerramandering is legal in the US. That’s the problem. Fighting rigging with rigging, can reestablish a balance, but it doesn’t make the system more democratic or elections fair.
The problem is that election rigging is transferring power of electing someone from the voters, to the currently elected party, which in turn just fortifies their position and makes transition of power ever harder.
I still wouldn’t call it rigging, because it IS legal. It’s more like influencing in a legal manner.
Is it fair? No, but it’s legal, so it’s NOT rigging, by definition. It’s the same with the Electoral College. There are ways to manipulate it, and they aren’t specifically illegal, so it’s not rigging.
Make gerrymandering and Electoral College illegal, and then manipulating them would be rigging.
It is functionally election manipulation, making it much harder for election based overthrow of government, just out in the open and legal. If that is enough for you to not call it rigging, so be it. It doesn’t change what it is and what it does. Remove voting power from the electorate transferring it to the party/parties currently in power.
I criticise what it is and what it does, not the terminology. The issue is that this is not the only major deficiency in the US election system. Another one being that effective limitless bribing of parties, via election campaigns has been legalised as well. Yes, you might also come in and say, because it is legal it is not bribing. I don’t care. It functionally is, legally, call it whatever you like.
On top of that, the Electoral College almost seems benign as it is different, even though it is highly problematic as well. It is as such not changing, ie manipulating the outcome of the election in a dynamic matter, depending on who was previously in power in the state. It is my understanding, that while the voter will could be ignored, it is still the case that the electoral college is basically just doing what the state level results would suggest.
There has been a lot of MAGA discussion about gaming the Electoral College as well, like splitting a state’s votes between parties. Its the next frontier after gerrymandering, although the gerrymandering thing hasn’t worked out so well for them this time, so maybe they’ll reconsider messing with the Electoral College.
Ah, who am I kidding? These MAGA morons never learn from their mistakes, they just blame somebody else, and keep being stupid.
Sure. The Electoral College is certainly a weak point as well, but giving all those other gaping weak points, reaching all the way up to the top of the judiciary, I’d be surprised if they’d even need to exploit the Electoral College. But never say never.