• Doomsider@lemmy.world
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      25 days ago

      The current information is that he wasn’t their to shoot the president, but to attack certain politicians.

      So this assumption on his part indicates guilt. That is how a detective investigating a crime would see it.

    • kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world
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      25 days ago

      He was determined by a jury in court to have sexually abused E. Jean Carroll too. While the case was a civil suit for sexual abuse (and defamation), not a criminal charge for rape, he was still determined to have committed specific acts that do constitute first degree rape under New York law, a crime for which there is no statute of limitations. In other words, he’s not a convicted rapist, but still definitely a rapist, just an as yet unconvicted one.

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        Doesn’t make sense. If O’Donnell is in league with Trump, then why would she be butchering Trump like this?

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          Ever seen good old Babylon 5? When the corrupt president seizes the media and uses it for propaganda etc. There are still good people in the media, but they can’t be openly critical or they will be removed. Subtle jabs like this are pretty much all they’ll be willing to risk.

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            But if this is all a plot by the US government, and the assassin is presumably in on it, then why would the manifest be talking about pedophiles at all? That is not the kind of fake manifest Team Trump would have written.

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              I was joking, I don’t think it was staged because they looked like idiots.

              But if they were to stage it, what do you think they would put on the manifesto? They hate him for having too nice hair? They would want to associate the people who criticizes them with madness and violence.

              I guess they hate enough people they could have used Muslims, trans, black… Hell even greenlandish as scapegoats.

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                But if they were to stage it, what do you think they would put on the manifesto? They hate him for having too nice hair?

                Fox News demonizes a caricature of Democrats every single day. I don’t watch Fox News, but surely Fox News would be able to write such a “manifest”. It would probably include mentions of stuff like “antifa”.

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                  Antifa is not hot right now. They could use it to try to shift focus, but if the war didn’t make it I don’t think that would.

                  “You have Epstein derangement syndrom” is something they might want.

                  Again, I don’t think it’s staged, I just think they might want to change the perception with that of it was.

    • Bassman1805@lemmy.world
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      25 days ago

      The topic was “White House Correspondents Dinner” and was planned way ahead of time. The reporters were just quick to adapt to the real story of the dinner.

    • chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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      He was found civily liable for sexual assault by a jury. It means a jury said he did it, but it’s not actually a conviction because civil suits are between private parties whereas criminal cases are between the defendant and society. They also have very different methods of punishment, as they pursue different goals.

      In criminal court, the prosecutors seek punitive damages. It usually takes the form of a fine or a prison sentence. In civil court, the plaintiff (who can also be the government) seeks relief in the form of compensation for damages or an order to do something, undo something, or stop doing something. You can’t

      This makes sense when you think about it. Let’s say you get pulled over for speeding. You didn’t actually cause any damage, you can’t undo having sped, and since you were pulled over you’ve already stopped speeding. So the state’s options are pretty much limited to punishment for having committed the crime. And once you’ve paid the ticket, the matter is resolved.

      But what if instead of speeding, you build a building that extends beyond your property line and into a public street? Criminal statues allow for a fine, but that’s about it. Cities can even do daily fines, but rich people can just pay the fine and effectively take control of public land.

      For that, you need to go through the Civil process, because in the civil system the goal isn’t justice or punishment, but relief. Instead of getting fines, the government can get an order from a judge requiring the building to be removed, and even to allow the government to bulldoze the building and bill the landowner for the expense of the demo and remediation.

      This is why, unless you’re looking at a felony, you’d rather have the government take you to criminal court than civil.

    • kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world
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      He wasn’t convicted of the crime of rape because he hasn’t, to date, been criminally charged with rape. He was sued civilly by E. Jean Carroll for sexual abuse and defamation, and found by a jury liable for both acts. Which means the jury found that sufficient evidence existed that he did sexually abuse her even without a criminal conviction for rape.

      The judge later clarified that the acts that the the jury found him liable for, forcible penetration of the vagina with his fingers, do constitute first degree rape under New York law. And first degree rape in New York has no statute of limitations. Were he to be tried for rape, the evidence in the civil suit would be admissible and he would almost certainly be convicted of rape. Weird that hasn’t happened, but here we are.

      So technically, he is not a convicted rapist as he has yet to be criminally charged and tried for rape. But he has also been determined by a court and a jury to have absolutely sexually abused E. Jean Carroll in a manner that constitutes rape under New York law. “Rapist love this one weird loophole.”

      • Snowies@lemmy.zip
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        He paid her 78 million dollars specifically so that he wouldn’t have to take a DNA test to prove his innocence.

        Hmmmm

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          I missed something. What dna were they going to test that could influence a case for a crime that occurred 30 years ago?

          E. Jean Carroll requested a DNA sample from Donald Trump in 2020 to compare with unidentified male DNA found on the dress she allegedly wore during a 1990s sexual assault.

          Well there you go.

          EDIT: added some googling.

    • D_C@sh.itjust.works
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      Yes. Ahhh, yes, but, see, right…ok, at that exact moment of recording the orange rapist of women and little girls (and probably boys) was -probably- not raping a thing…probably. {taps temple}

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      Well, the usa passed a law that makes a tomato a vegetable instead of a fruit, so labels don’t mean much there (neither does law anymore), so who knows? I agree though because of the “walks like a duck” logic.

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          There is a definition of a fruit though, and it is understood that vegetables are not fruit. As I understand it.

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            Sure, but tomatoes are a fruit botanically (more precisely, a berry). “Vegetable” is a culinary term, and has no real strict definition beyond “a plant grown to be eaten”, so a tomato falls squarely into being a berry, a fruit, and a vegetable.

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        As far as I’m aware, the supreme court made a ruling on that, but that’s not the same as passing a law. Are you conflating the two or do you have additional sources? Because I can’t find any evidence that was made a law.

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    In his criminal mind, they can’t prove it so he can lie about it but EVERYBODY knows exactly who they are referring to when they mention pedophile and rapist. Releasing the unredacted Epstein files is his greatest fear - people will die before he allows it.

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      It’s not he can lie about it, it’s he cannot admit any other version. You could have him found guilty, release the Epstein files, have him raping someone on video, he will claim over and over that everything is fake and he’s not guilty. Dude is not cabled to admit any wrong doing.

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      In his criminal mind, they can’t prove it

      It has already been proven in court.

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    “Oh, do you think he was referring to you?” is now one of my all-time favorite burns. As maddening and inadequate as the press can be, at least they’ve figured out that Trump is easy to bait.