• LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    But leftists really need to band together internationally, not divide along Nationalist lines

    Then what the fuck are you doing posting shit criticizing democracy in the dprk, a country inherently more democratic than any fucking country you could possibly be posting from by virtue of not being capitalist

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      Don’t want the next leftist revolution to take notes from North Korea.

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      country inherently more democratic than any fucking country you could possibly be posting from by virtue of not being capitalist

      Democracy isn’t inherently tied to any economic system. A country could democratically elect to be fascist or socialist. I think being critical of North Korea for their lack of democratic process is a legitimate argument, but you would also have to argue that democracy is always good.

      Your contention with his statement should be that democracy isn’t the highest pursuit of social virtue.

      • LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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        their lack of democratic process

        The post describes a democratic process while criticizing its “lack of democratic process”

        Your contention with his statement should be that democracy isn’t the highest pursuit of social virtue

        My contention with the statement is that OP has shit for brains and doesn’t understand what democracy actually is

        Democracy isn’t inherently tied to any economic system

        Capitalism and democracy are mutually exclusive, instead of arguing with me you can argue with Albert Einstein about it:

        Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.

        Albert Einstein, Why Socialism?

        Bourgeoisie using political parties to separate the electorate from the legislature: omg wholesome epic chungus democracy

        Proletarians using the political parties to ensure no capitalist roader dipshits get elected: OMG EVIL AUTHORITY

        🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

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          The post describes a democratic process while criticizing its “lack of democratic process”

          I’m not the op, but I assume they are critical of the quality of the democratic process.

          contention with the statement is that OP has shit for brains and doesn’t understand what democracy actually is

          I don’t really know what you are utilizing for your definition of democracy?

          Capitalism and democracy are mutually exclusive, instead of arguing with me you can argue with Albert Einstein about it:

          Again… I would argue that democracy does not equate to equity. I also didn’t claim that democracy is inherently virtuous.

          I think my critique of your statement claiming that “North Korea was more democratic because they weren’t capitalist” could be boiled down to that North Korea isn’t more democratic, but democracy isn’t the end all be all of virtuosity that western culture likes to project.