Severing ties with the US can take more than a year and cost thousands of dollars. But Paul, Ella, Margot and thousands of others feel they have no choice
There’s a lot I didn’t know about the process. It’d be interesting to get the view of US members of this community.
We don’t judge what people do vs how brave we feel they should be – walk a mile and all that. The Queen King has my name on-file, no fortunate son, but I’ll definitely not relish the day when his GG’s rep comes knocking to reactivate me.
I try not to shame anyone but I do honour those who take a stand, even in the face of fear. As far as fleeing violence, I don’t think we’ve gotten there yet. It’s about fleeing ideology. More like not liking the new HOA president, so moving out of the neighbourhood.
I know many privileged people are fleeing. but so do people in genuine danger, trans, bipoc… They aren’t here to be your personal shield. If the country is so fucked up an ally would help them, keep them safe, help them flee, and welcome them back after.
Otherwise you just see those minorities as human shields, as hate padding so the problems won’t reach you. You are the reason they have to flee.
If they were MY ally they’d stay and fight. They aren’t. They never have been.
If you leave, you have left and are not welcome back. I’ll be no ally to anyone who won’t turn and fight alongside me. Those fleeing intend to use me as a meat shield.
If there are vulnerable people at risk of violence, and you’re privileged enough not to be in danger, then you should be that human shield. Otherwise you aren’t an ally, and then expect those most at risk to risk themselves further to protect you.
Let’s be clear here: We’re talking about fighting fascism. Nobody is privileged enough to not be in danger under fascism. Nobody. Not the conscientious objectors, not the "but I voted for you"s, not the dictators inner circle, not school girls in another hemisphere.
I don’t have time to bicker about who is farther up their “others to exterminate” list. This ain’t the oppression olympics, it’s World War 3. To everyone but LGBTQ, allyhood is mutual.
No. No they could not return. I will fight them. The United States of America is the home of the brave. Cowards are not welcome here. If you’re not willing to fight for America, why would I ever let you return? What use do I have for such fair weather friends? To those who flee: Good riddance to bad rubbish.
From this conversation, you are the rubbish that makes people flee for their safety.
Minorities fearing for their safety aren’t your pawns. you’re a bigot, the racists kind. the kind that says to refugees fleeing for their lives to go back to where they come from, while ignoring it is thanks to voters like you that they have to flee.
Never shame anyone who is fleeing violence.
That is precisely what they intend to do and it’s not the first time I’ve seen it from them
We don’t judge what people do vs how brave we feel they should be – walk a mile and all that. The
QueenKing has my name on-file, no fortunate son, but I’ll definitely not relish the day when his GG’s rep comes knocking to reactivate me.… You seem to not realize I’m standing against judging these people?
I try not to shame anyone but I do honour those who take a stand, even in the face of fear. As far as fleeing violence, I don’t think we’ve gotten there yet. It’s about fleeing ideology. More like not liking the new HOA president, so moving out of the neighbourhood.
I’ve heard some bad USA HOA stories. I fully support this.
Don’t mind state masked gangs disappearing and shooting people in the streets. The state violence that makes people flee is already here.
When we fix it, they don’t get to come back.
sounds like you’re part of the problem.
I know many privileged people are fleeing. but so do people in genuine danger, trans, bipoc… They aren’t here to be your personal shield. If the country is so fucked up an ally would help them, keep them safe, help them flee, and welcome them back after.
Otherwise you just see those minorities as human shields, as hate padding so the problems won’t reach you. You are the reason they have to flee.
If they were MY ally they’d stay and fight. They aren’t. They never have been.
If you leave, you have left and are not welcome back. I’ll be no ally to anyone who won’t turn and fight alongside me. Those fleeing intend to use me as a meat shield.
Those fleeing intend not to be your human shield.
If there are vulnerable people at risk of violence, and you’re privileged enough not to be in danger, then you should be that human shield. Otherwise you aren’t an ally, and then expect those most at risk to risk themselves further to protect you.
Let’s be clear here: We’re talking about fighting fascism. Nobody is privileged enough to not be in danger under fascism. Nobody. Not the conscientious objectors, not the "but I voted for you"s, not the dictators inner circle, not school girls in another hemisphere.
I don’t have time to bicker about who is farther up their “others to exterminate” list. This ain’t the oppression olympics, it’s World War 3. To everyone but LGBTQ, allyhood is mutual.
You seem to expect and even demand that affected minorities stay and protect your comfort.
This country failed them, they fear for their safety and even lives. and you’re upset they aren’t staying to fix it?
It isn’t a “oppression Olympics” it is people fleeing for their safety. And maybe when we fix things, they could return.
No. No they could not return. I will fight them. The United States of America is the home of the brave. Cowards are not welcome here. If you’re not willing to fight for America, why would I ever let you return? What use do I have for such fair weather friends? To those who flee: Good riddance to bad rubbish.
From this conversation, you are the rubbish that makes people flee for their safety.
Minorities fearing for their safety aren’t your pawns. you’re a bigot, the racists kind. the kind that says to refugees fleeing for their lives to go back to where they come from, while ignoring it is thanks to voters like you that they have to flee.