• Jax@sh.itjust.works
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    4 months ago

    I was wondering when the MAHA vaccine fixation would bleed over to simply anything that comes from a needle.

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      4 months ago

      This is horrific.

      The part of me traumatized by our society drives my cynical obtrusive thought: this will cull some of the stupid genes from the pool.

      Maybe idiocracy is not inevitable. Maybe the stupid, selfish,fear-consumed will remove themselves from the healthier parts of humanity. Too bad I won’t be around for the better world.

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        4 months ago

        The absolute numbers are still very low, and these folks tend to have more babies overall, so I don’t think there’s much silver lining here, even a grim one. They’re just accepting higher infant mortality for no good reason because they don’t understand statistics or that evolution doesn’t care about “perfect” or about any individual baby (or anything else of course, because it’s just a biological principle, but you take my meaning).

        You have to work with who gets born and just try to bring as much critical thinking and empathy into the world as you can. If anything “good” will come of this, it will be as cautionary tales parents and doctors tell pregnant people.

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          4 months ago

          Even worse, they’re accepting infant mortality because “master white race” and fear of being the minority in 2045.

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        4 months ago

        This is society healing itself of modernity and returning to its natural form. Soon the average lifespan shall once again be a healthy 25, just as Mother Gaia intended.

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        At this point I am much worried about the future effect of evil bloodlines then of stupid ones.

        They do often go hand in hand, granted, but there are some wonderful stupid and/or mentally handicapped folks out there.

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          I don’t believe in evil bloodlines, except in genetics that cause a predisposition to sociopathy. Even those people can learn to have empathy with intervention.

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      I swear there’s a non-trivial percentage of new parents who simply want any excuse not to see their babies get poked with a needle and start crying. Combine that with the other MAHA, Jesus, and/or Woo nonsense, and especially with a fundamental misunderstanding of how much infant mortality the human population can absorb and still be evolutionarily “successful,” and you get stories like this one.

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        4 months ago

        I had my son get all his vaccinations on schedule. Even though he’d cry and skitter around the room like a cat when they came in the room with a needle.

        Next few times he got over it and eventually it didn’t even bother him to get poked anymore.

        I know it’s terrible to see as a parent and comforting them sometimes doesn’t work. You can’t walk out of there just giving up. Shots really suck when you are little, but they are much better than dying from the diseases they prevent.

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          Some of the most successful pediatricians I’ve seen will poke the baby with the closed syringe several times before and after administering the shot. So that the babies get poked with it non-painfully more times and they get poked with it painfully. From what I’ve seen it seems to work.

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        4 months ago

        You’re giving them way too much credit. It’s as simple as what a credentialed authority figure says must be part of some agenda but what a whatsapp/FB post or contrarian podcaster/blogger says is good and credible.

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    4 months ago

    An HHS spokesperson did not respond to questions but in an email blamed the administration of former President Joe Biden for the rise in parents rejecting vitamin K shots. “Vitamin K at birth,” the spokesperson added, “remains the standard of care.”

    For fuck’s sake. These assholes can’t even take responsibility for the results of what they’re spewing.

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        Seriously!!!

        Remember when most of their grievances were about an overreaching government that dictated how they lived their lives? Now that their party is in power that’s all they want to fucking do to the rest of us.

        How does ‘personal responsibility’ translate into ‘I don’t want this and you shouldn’t have it either’?

    • mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      4 months ago

      At what point do we just turn it into the new “Thanks Obama” meme? I feel like at a certain point, embracing it as a joke is the only way to get them to stop using it as an excuse. Because as long as they can say it and be taken seriously, they’ll continue using it.

      • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Yep. Sucks to be born just do die of preventable illiness but that’s literally evolution. Maybe the reason the world sucks so much is because we put up bumper rails and allow the weak to survive.

        If you ask any right wing smooth brain they’d agree, they’re not smart enough to recognize it’s them that lose.

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    4 months ago

    It’s wild how many parents are terrified of a vitamin shot but completely comfortable trusting random wellness influencers with zero medical background. And the really tragic part is that newborns don’t exactly get a second chance if the gamble goes wrong.

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      4 months ago

      China recently decimated their (previously thriving) influencer ecosystem, simply by requiring that health influencers have documented health education, financial influencers have finance education, etc… China implemented the rule, and immediately banned like ~95% of all their health influencers. The rule targets both individual influencers and the platforms that host them. And no platform wants to stick their neck out and eat fines for some random influencer. So influencers who didn’t have documented education got banned basically overnight.

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        We need this AND it will never happen here.

        China is clearly winning at modern society. The US is an empire in decline and it’s becoming more clear by the day.

        We so fucked.

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        4 months ago

        IDK if China is really a great example here, considering how many Chinese doctors will still tell you that drinking cold water is bad for you, and garlic makes people horny.

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          4 months ago

          That’s the funny thing about medicine… Lots of medical advice is largely determined by where you live. In America, doctors tell pregnant women to avoid eating too much fish. In Japan, doctors tell pregnant women to eat more fish.

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            Well, there is also a huge quality difference between the average fish you can buy in the states compared to Japan

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      Yeah, that reminds me of times of days past when people would just be chatting about how this or that food is bad for you… As we rail another line of cocaine… Like what do you care about healthy?

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      It’s literally because these people are manipulated by fear – influencers intentionally use emotionally loaded language while doctors very intentionally do not.

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      4 months ago

      human beings are wired to trust other people’s confident bullshit.

      far more than they trust something abstract like medical knowledge backed by scientific studies.

      it’s not any different why the charming asshole narcissist is socially popular and the accurate nerdy scientist is seen as weird and anti-social.

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      4 months ago

      Bro here on the local news during covid they’d interview idiots “im not trusting the government idk whats in that shot” and then they hit their gas station vape, amurica!

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    4 months ago

    Oral vitamin K1 is almost as effective as injected K1, and most countries seem to offer it orally as an alternative to injected. Oral is pretty much just as effective as injected. 1, 2

    The article doesn’t mention oral. Is it still not approved in the US? (It’s the same formulation as that injected).

    It’s very cheap. In Australia it costs ~9AUD (~7USD) for a single dose vial with oral syringe without subsidies.

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      We personally don’t know the semantics as to why it’s not approved orally, however regardless of it being a shot or a drug shouldn’t matter if it’s gonna save the baby in the end.

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    So (at least in my journey) this was literally the only thing that both the top MDs and nurses, and the hippie midwives and doulas, all agreed on… this being the family’s choice.

    Having said that I do everything scientists tell me to do and gave him all the fucking shots. But the K thing is a dicey hill to die on

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      It’s peoples choice, but when lots of people are choosing to take a needless risk (even if small) that says something about society and the information environment that they’re embedded in.

  • applebusch (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    this is a pretty poetic counterpoint to people who think Idiocracy is prophetic. nature doesn’t give a fuck about what you think or how you feel, it is what it is. being an ignorant fucking moron meant death for the majority of human history, either for you, or as in this case your children. there’s a large evolutionary pressure for humans to be intelligent and well educated, and the worse things get the more that will be true.

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    4 months ago

    — are declining the single, inexpensive injection given at birth to newborns to help their blood clot.

    Aren’t you suppose to prevent blood clots?

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      You want to clot so you don’t bleed to death. You don’t want clots floating around in your arteries because they can block something important

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        Ah I see, I’ve been meaning to take a first aid course and learn a little about hemorrhages. Thanks for the knowledge.

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    I have four natural born kids and all of them had their Vitamin K shots, and I would do it again in a heartbeat. I trust my doctors’ recommendations on what course of action is best, knowing that there are risks and benefits to any medical treatment, and we do these treatments because the benefits outweigh the risks.

    With that said, the article doesn’t mention that the risk of the vitamin K shot is that the newborn’s bilirubin levels can be raised far enough that they have to be treated for it. One of my daughters had to be blindfolded and put under a very bright blue light for several hours or maybe it was overnight, which is not a nice thing to see your newborn go through.

    But it is surely better than seeing them bleed to death.

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      One of my daughters had to be blindfolded and put under a very bright blue light for several hours or maybe it was overnight, which is not a nice thing to see your newborn go through.

      Completely painless and done every single day in any NICU.

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        Isn’t this for Jaundice? Or just happens to be the same cure? Anyway my baby went through the blue light special for jaundice - the worst part was having to be in the hospital longer

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    You know, if these parents believe they know better than medical professionals, why are they going to a medical facility to have their babies anyway? I feel it is just a waste of resources. Medical staff are stretched pretty thin already. Why waste time on people that will just ignore professional advice? Let them deal on their own, they obviously know better.