Error in the text: 1000mW laser with 532nm wavelength which is green light.
1000nm light is infrared.
Cross posted in https://lemmy.ca/post/64612634
But if you do, hide your face first.
Just put a bit of gaffa tape over the camera
those are easy to remove, better to make it cost more for them to replace it.
Whats the coat of labor though?
I bet the charge for covering a camera with tape is a lot less than destruction of property.
I mean, fuck flock. But really, truly, do not do this.
I don’t give a damn about the Flock cameras. Set them on fire or steal them and sell them for scrap for all I care. But a laser powerful enough to quickly fry a camera sensor is going to be an extreme danger to human eyes. These type of lasers can be acquired fairly easily, but you don’t want to be using them in public outdoor spaces. At these power levels, even reflections of laser light can be damaging to human eyes. And when you shine laser light on a solar panel or camera lens, some is going to be scattered in random directions. Sure, you can make sure to wear laser safety goggles while doing this. But random bystanders won’t have that luxury.
Apparently they can also set dark objects on fire and melt plastic, which has a lot of potential for unintended consequences.
Hmm that seems like maybe rhe safer approach then- instead of damaging the sensors, melt a hole in the casing and let h20 damage do the rest? (Or just keep going until you’ve cooked the circuit board?)
Can’t tell if you’re trying to talk me out of or into buying a laser.
So very much this.
These things should not be available to buy for the general public, or anyone without safety training and equipment.
Remember: Don’t stare into laser with remaining eye.Edit: It is true that there are lasers that can damage camera sensors and not eyes, but they are infrared outside of the visual spectrum, and absorbed by the water content of the human eye. BUT STILL DO NOT USE LASERS OUTSIDE OF CONTROLED ENVIRONMENTS
Not a PSA
Yall make sure you’re not visible on another camera when you try this - it’s not like they won’t be able to figure out when and where you were when you did it. FLOCKs are usually in high camera-density areas like parking lots and strip malls and such, and there’s a lot of pressure to address vandalism against the surveillance apparatus.
No one on lemmy is ever going to do this anyway.
Just smash. Doesn’t matter how. Smash smash smash. Or cover with paint or an oily plastic bag. Or just smash. They are always like 8 feet up. Smash.
Just smash. Doesn’t matter how. Smash smash smash. Or cover with paint or an oily plastic bag. Or just smash.
Basically my dating strategy as well
😅
Yeah. Paintball gun if you want to be fun with it.
Spray can on a stick (there’s tools for this at the hardware store, lets you press the button from down the other end of the stick) if you want to do it easily.
well that sucks, i was planning to do that later. there goes my night 🫤
I want to be able to avoid these. Is this one that I should not use?
Another commenter recommends a NUBM44-V2 laser diode from ebay such as this one:
This is pretty cool but I should probably stick with a pre-built, off-the-shelf device. I like being able to see.
Lasers on AliExpress might be 1% or 100.000% of the listed power. It might be super dangerous when you think it’s safe, or vice versa.
Never use AliExpress when it comes to things that need to keep you safe, or that go into your body.
I appreciate the warning. Thank you.
Also you have no idea what wavelength they actually are, so your safety gear (you do have safety gear, right?) may be totally worthless!
Just use a paintball marker. It doesn’t destroy the camera, but you can paint the lens. They then have to have someone go there and clean it or wait until they get lucky with the rain cleaning it. It’s probably also less of a crime than actually destroying the thing.
I wonder if you can fill paintballs with superglue or something else that adheres to plastic…
I wonder if you could suspend particulate in the glue to make it even harder to see through. Sand, or glitter perhaps.
Much more visible though. A bystander can easily call the police on you if they see you damaging property, while a small compact laser can be hidden and its also not visible from the outside after the sensor has been destroyed. For research purposes of course.
The laser spot from a 1W laser is bright enough to cause rapid, permanent eye damage. The beam will be bright, too. This is not subtle.
During the day its pretty hard to spot a 1W laser and its harder to spot the source. Also, one wouldnt use his with people closeby, or would you shoot a paintball gun out in public when there are people around?
Your would be a little more conspicuous marching around your neighborhood wielding a paintball gun than you would be with a pocket-sized laser pointer.
It would be interesting to train an image recognition algorithm on detecting flock cameras, build a raspberry pi with two servos and put it all in a nice box to carry around. For research purposes of course.
There is a website that tracks flock cameras.
It would be interesting to train an image recognition algorithm on detecting flock cameras
Or just query nearby bluetooth devices:
https://www.ryanohoro.com/post/spotting-flock-safety-s-falcon-cameras
EDIT: Also, those things read bumper stickers in addition to license plates. I’ve often wondered if they check for injection attacks between character recognition and storing it in their database.
Another edit: An attacker wouldn’t even need to put the sticker on their own vehicle. And a $20 thermal receipt printer (a “cat printer” as they’re known because the most popular model has cat ears and a cute cat face on it) can print on rolls of adhesive paper. I honestly wonder why no one uses them for sticker-based graffiti already. Probably because thermal prints don’t last long in sunlight.
Just use a brother P-Touch with the 24mm rolls. They are pretty weather proof from my experience.
But then you’d be the owner of something called a Brother P-Touch
(I know it’s a great label maker, I just can’t pass up a chance at low brow humor when it presents itself)
Wait till you hear about the germans Brothers Love Beard Jizz
I want to make this clear: I was not speaking about myself, but a hypothetical attacker. I don’t even know if such an attack would be effective.
That said, the rolls on the cat printer are 57mm and would probably be easier to resolve on a moving vehicle, and it would only need to last long enough to be read by one camera. Plus, the P-Touch doesn’t look like a kitty cat.
Reminds me of a Cory Doctorow story.
You might find this interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_F4rEaRduk&t=644
Edit: wrong timestamp
i’m all for guerilla destruction of flock cameras
I mean the whole point of flock is that they can track you everywhere. Destroying their cameras doesn’t destroy the footage.
If you destroy their cameras they will just trace your movements backwards until they find a way to identify you.
You need to find a way to do it surreptitiously so it’s not clear who is doing it, and they won’t be able to figure it out by process of elimination by seeing who is commonly present when a camera iss destroyed.
I think drone usage could solve some issues.
Idk, I think they can probably do a reasonable job tracing a drone back to it’s takeoff location, and then tracking the person who brought it there back to their home, with decent coverage.
That said I don’t know if I’m overestimating their ability regarding machine learning and AI - this is probably fairly labour intensive unless they’ve don’t a good job preparing all their data and they have plenty of compute.
Depends on the drone.
DJI, yes.
Self builf without GPS or telemetry…probably not.
I mean if they can track a car around the city using their cameras, they can probably do the same for a drone. Even if you fly up out of view they could look for drones in a radius flying down into view and connect the dots.
Resolution of those cameras is limited and they are usually angled down. Also they are not on private property. So it can be assumed that max detection rate of a average sized done is maybe 80m tops, after that the drone itself is smaller than a singular pixel of the cam. Meanwhile range of those drones can be multiple km.
If u had said they can use the integrated wide band SDR recordings of cell towers to triangulate the remote controller…i would have given u a point, but triangulating a drone using cameras that look down is not credible.
If this were really true, there would be no crime right now. Nancy Guthrie has been missing for months now despite the perpetrator being caught on camera in an affluent neighborhood where many homes would be many Ring, Flock etc. cameras. These companies overpromise and underdeliver. Their main purpose is get people to pay them. They are much less competent than they claim to be.
The easiest way to best an opponent is to always assume they have the upper hand. If flock cameras are half as good as they say they are then approaching it as if it were twice as good means it will be good enough to match.
Being over prepared will never cost you as much as being under prepared.
Possibly, but I don’t wanna risk my freedom on them being incompetent rather than corrupt.
I just want to counter their propaganda is all
Fair
I wonder how hard it would be to rig up a teeny drone with a bit of thermite?
Please do not the Flock camera.
In my town, roads have potholes deep enough to cause damage to cars. Many intersections have been down and operating as 4 way stops for months. But somehow there’s money in the budget to do this shit. I think some vandalism might be in order to teach priorities.
If you hit an airplane they will try very hard to track you down. If you hit too many cameras they will probably try to find you, too. They will use your purchase history, social media post history, and location, for instance. So, best to buy the laser somewhere far from where you use it, AND pay cash if you can.
Not that I recommend this, but if you want to try, be smart about it. And, be careful.
That’s the problem with this really. You gotta be really careful you’re not caught on camera beforehand, and they have a lot of cameras. So unless you can just walk out of the woods near one and disappear the same way, you’re likely gonna have a bad time.
Put it on a remote car with a camera set up for sightingbthw target
Better yet mount it on a drone
A camera is a camera no matter the brand. Take a walk around your neighborhood and imagine the cone of sight each one has, eventually you’ll see one that doesn’t have another watching. From there it’s just a game of mine sweeper.
You also have to be able to fry the camera without it being able to record you before you’re successful. Can you burn out the sensor from an angle of attack that still has you out of view? Maybe, maybe not. And how will you know for sure?
I would think probably not. Light paths are typically reciprocal, ignoring scattering or dispersion.
In other words, if photons from your body aren’t hitting the camera sensor, how are photons from the laser going to hit the camera?
Unless you have an insane laser that shouldn’t be used outdoors, I doubt there will be damage from an indirect hit.
This was my thought as well and if so, it’s virtually impossible to fry the camera holding a laser without being recorded doing it. And even a poor quality pic of you might be good enough to match to a pic of you getting out of your vehicle, and that good enough for a plate match from another camera. This is a high-risk endeavor.
I think its horrible that so many things are happening to us from our own government. They are supposed to be on our side but that was long ago now.
Purchase history is harder to check than you’d think. Use a giftcard on AliExpress and anyone outside of the federal level will be lost.
Theres always the straw- buyer/ owner method. Person A buys the tool, preferably with some legitimizing use for it. While Person A is alibied, Person B borrows the tool, uses it to do the deed, then returns it.
If you got the time im sure waiting a year to use it would also help.
Sounds like a flea market purchase
