East authoritarian countries used stupidity of Western “free market” liberals, and we’re where we’re.
Right everyone is open with the fact that a lot of far right wing movements in Europe are founded by Russia. They are trying to do what mostly west did in the middle east decades ago. Put a lot of money into far right nationalist religious movements, and see how cultures are collapsing.
Second Europe and the west has had an issue with far right freaks for centuries. Regan, Thatcher, The Nazis, and the list goes on and on. Putting all the blame on Russia is not only wrong it’s just infantile bullshit.
Putin and Russian far right nationalist authoritarian Regime is a product of west. His regime is no different from Netanjahu’s.
Also Russia is a victim of this oppressive regime. There’s no democracy, no free press, no freedom, then regular people are also victims.
And I’m not saying that Russia is the only one to blame, but before trump, Russia was the one who was pushing a lot of far right wing agenda to destroy Europe. For some reasons trump don’t like strong countries in south from them, and Putin’s regime don’t want strong Europe.
You are replacing real analysis with a boogeyman handed to you by Western media. That is the core problem here.
The far right in Europe is not the result of Russian influence. It is the direct outcome of decades of neoliberal restructuring. Deindustrialization wiped out working class jobs. Austerity destroyed social services. Housing became financialized. Wages stagnated while productivity rose. Social democracy collapsed after fully integrating into neoliberal capitalism. When liberal parties administer capitalist crisis, fascists fill the vacuum. That is not theory. That is observable history.
The EU itself is a machine for producing reaction. It enforces privatization, bans state planning, attacks labor unions, suppresses national development, and subordinates weaker economies to German and French capital. Greece was economically strangled in full public view. Southern and Eastern Europe were reduced to cheap labor pools. This is what radicalized people, not Russian Telegram posts.
In the United States the situation is even clearer. The US state has backed far right extremists for nearly a century. Nazi collaborators were absorbed and given prestigious positions through Operation Paperclip. Anti communist fascists were installed across Latin America. Death squads in El Salvador and Guatemala were trained by the US. Apartheid South Africa was supported until the very end. The Mujahideen were funded and armed, directly creating modern jihadism. None of this was hidden. It was official policy.
NATO itself was built by integrating former fascists across Europe as long as they were anti communist. This is documented history. The so called liberal order has never opposed fascism. It opposes threats to capital. When fascists serve capital, they are tolerated or funded.
Even today the West openly arms far right formations when geopolitically useful. Ukraine is the most obvious example, where ultra nationalist militias were integrated into state forces with full NATO support. No one in Brussels suddenly discovered a moral objection to extremism then.
So the idea that Russia uniquely “pushes far right ideology” while the West defends democracy is fantasy. The far right does not rise because people are tricked by foreign propaganda. It rises because capitalism is failing to reproduce social stability.
This obsession with Russian interference serves one purpose only. It shifts blame away from Western ruling classes. It turns systemic crisis into an external conspiracy. It tells people that nothing is structurally wrong with capitalism, the EU, or US empire. The problem is always an outsider.
That is not analysis.
Russia today is not socialist. It is not progressive. It is a capitalist state formed out of imperial collapse. Its actions are driven by security and market interests, the same as any other capitalist power. Treating it as the prime engine of global fascism is analytically unserious.
Fascism is not imported. It is produced internally when capitalism enters decay.
If Russia vanished tomorrow, Europe would still face collapsing living standards, demographic crisis, housing shortages, declining energy security, and an economic model that no longer works. Those conditions would still generate reaction.
Blaming Russia is comforting because it avoids the real conclusion. The crisis is not geopolitical. It is systemic.
Dude, you’re repeating Russian propaganda over and over.
West the same way as Russia is a victim of neoliberalism. When soviet union collapsed due to keeping the power in the hands of the same people for way too long, then neoliberalism kicked in the same way as in whole Europe.
Transformation in the east block created many oligarchs, oligarchs choose who will rule, and they support far right as much as possible.
And when western Europe choose democracy, because cold war pushed west governments to create middle class, east block people never had this opportunity. Easy block collapsed, all the goods, factories and so one, instead of being given to regural people, was stolen by the rulling class. I’m from Poland, so this is exact what happened. And then right authoritarian regime in Russia start to blame minorities like LGBT people for situation in country.
And then years after, west countries were fighting and winnings things like keeping high social benefits and winning rights for minorities, countries like Russia was way behind. Keeping power in a hands of rulling class, oligarchs, like in Russia or Ukraine. Always leads to collapse.
One of the ways for Russia to gain more power is to weakening Europe. Oligarchs and rulling class in Russia is not going to let go, they are living like tzar family when regular people are starving. They need weak and broken Europe to at least have some power in region. In Europe no one wants to be ally of Russian far right wing regime.
Btw Russia is not progressive, it’s a right wing authoritarian regime that is trying to replicate tzar imperium times, with oligarchs on top. And regular people on the bottom. With hated for anyone who is different.
I wish for Russia to have revolution again, so normal people could get the power, and oligarchs will be you know where
Just to clarify a few thing I don’t support Russia beyond them a pole against us imperialism at this current time. I also never claimed they were progressive please stop strawmanning me you shitlib loser and try engage with what I’m actually saying.
All that being said, you are reciting liberal mythology and pretending it has any weight as serious analysis. “Russian propaganda” is doing all the intellectual labor for you. You invoke it whenever reality contradicts the story you were taught. It just goes to show how deeply invested in western chauvanism you are.
You keep pretending the West is some fellow victim of neoliberalism alongside Russia. That is absurd. Western Europe and the US were not passive sufferers. They were the architects and beneficiaries of neoliberalism. IMF structural adjustment, World Bank debt traps, privatization schemes, EU accession shocks, and global financial domination were imposed by Western capital on the rest of the world. Russia and Eastern Europe were looted. The Global South was super exploited. Western corporations made record profits.
Your welfare states did not fall from the sky because “democracy was chosen.” They were built on imperial extraction.
Western Europe funded its middle class through the super exploitation of Africa, Asia, Latin America, and the periphery. Cheap resources, stolen labor, unequal exchange, and military domination paid for your social benefits. When that imperial margin began shrinking, austerity became the name of the game. That alone proves it was never moral capitalism. It was imperial rent-sharing.
Social democracy that you seem to hold in such high regard is not socialism. It is capitalism bribing one section of workers with wealth extracted from the rest of the world.
That is why your welfare collapsed the moment the USSR fell and anti-imperialist movements were crushed. The money stopped flowing. So the mask came off.
You keep saying oligarchs controlling society leads to collapse. Correct. That is capitalism. Not “Russian authoritarian culture.” Capital accumulation produces oligarchy everywhere. The US has oligarchs. Germany has oligarchs. Poland has oligarchs. Elections do not remove them because capital owns the economy before voting even begins.
Calling Western capitalism “democracy” and Eastern capitalism “authoritarianism” is childish.
You talk about minorities as if hatred originates from Russian propaganda. No. Reaction grows when material security collapses. People turn toward nationalism when housing, wages, healthcare, and stability disappear. Liberal identity rhetoric cannot substitute for bread. When capitalism fails to reproduce life, fascism appears. This is basic historical materialism.
You also keep pretending Russia is some unique imperial monster trying to resurrect the tsar. Meanwhile the US maintains 800 military bases, sanctions half the planet, invades countries openly, and dictates economic policy across continents. But somehow Russia is the singular threat to world stability. That belief did not come from analysis. It came from Western media saturation.
You are angry at oligarchs yet defend the system that produces them.
You want revolution in Russia while defending the same capitalist structure in Europe that would crush such a revolution instantly if it ever threatened property relations.
That contradiction is not accidental. It is social democracy.
Social democracy is not the alternative to fascism. It is its moderate wing. It preserves capitalism during stability and collapses into repression when crisis returns. Historically, social democrats disarmed the working class, defended private property, and handed power to fascists rather than allow socialist transformation. Germany already taught this lesson once.
You are not describing material reality. You are repeating the moral language of the empire.
You replaced dialectical materialism with NATO talking points and think that makes you progressive.
The far right is not rising because Russians whispered in Europe’s ear.
It is rising because capitalism is decaying, imperial privilege is shrinking, and liberalism has nothing left to offer but blame.
Until you confront that, you will keep chasing villains abroad while fascism grows at home.
East authoritarian countries used stupidity of Western “free market” liberals, and we’re where we’re.
Right everyone is open with the fact that a lot of far right wing movements in Europe are founded by Russia. They are trying to do what mostly west did in the middle east decades ago. Put a lot of money into far right nationalist religious movements, and see how cultures are collapsing.
First authoritarian is a useless buzzword.
Second Europe and the west has had an issue with far right freaks for centuries. Regan, Thatcher, The Nazis, and the list goes on and on. Putting all the blame on Russia is not only wrong it’s just infantile bullshit.
Putin and Russian far right nationalist authoritarian Regime is a product of west. His regime is no different from Netanjahu’s.
Also Russia is a victim of this oppressive regime. There’s no democracy, no free press, no freedom, then regular people are also victims.
And I’m not saying that Russia is the only one to blame, but before trump, Russia was the one who was pushing a lot of far right wing agenda to destroy Europe. For some reasons trump don’t like strong countries in south from them, and Putin’s regime don’t want strong Europe.
You are replacing real analysis with a boogeyman handed to you by Western media. That is the core problem here. The far right in Europe is not the result of Russian influence. It is the direct outcome of decades of neoliberal restructuring. Deindustrialization wiped out working class jobs. Austerity destroyed social services. Housing became financialized. Wages stagnated while productivity rose. Social democracy collapsed after fully integrating into neoliberal capitalism. When liberal parties administer capitalist crisis, fascists fill the vacuum. That is not theory. That is observable history. The EU itself is a machine for producing reaction. It enforces privatization, bans state planning, attacks labor unions, suppresses national development, and subordinates weaker economies to German and French capital. Greece was economically strangled in full public view. Southern and Eastern Europe were reduced to cheap labor pools. This is what radicalized people, not Russian Telegram posts. In the United States the situation is even clearer. The US state has backed far right extremists for nearly a century. Nazi collaborators were absorbed and given prestigious positions through Operation Paperclip. Anti communist fascists were installed across Latin America. Death squads in El Salvador and Guatemala were trained by the US. Apartheid South Africa was supported until the very end. The Mujahideen were funded and armed, directly creating modern jihadism. None of this was hidden. It was official policy. NATO itself was built by integrating former fascists across Europe as long as they were anti communist. This is documented history. The so called liberal order has never opposed fascism. It opposes threats to capital. When fascists serve capital, they are tolerated or funded. Even today the West openly arms far right formations when geopolitically useful. Ukraine is the most obvious example, where ultra nationalist militias were integrated into state forces with full NATO support. No one in Brussels suddenly discovered a moral objection to extremism then. So the idea that Russia uniquely “pushes far right ideology” while the West defends democracy is fantasy. The far right does not rise because people are tricked by foreign propaganda. It rises because capitalism is failing to reproduce social stability. This obsession with Russian interference serves one purpose only. It shifts blame away from Western ruling classes. It turns systemic crisis into an external conspiracy. It tells people that nothing is structurally wrong with capitalism, the EU, or US empire. The problem is always an outsider. That is not analysis. Russia today is not socialist. It is not progressive. It is a capitalist state formed out of imperial collapse. Its actions are driven by security and market interests, the same as any other capitalist power. Treating it as the prime engine of global fascism is analytically unserious. Fascism is not imported. It is produced internally when capitalism enters decay. If Russia vanished tomorrow, Europe would still face collapsing living standards, demographic crisis, housing shortages, declining energy security, and an economic model that no longer works. Those conditions would still generate reaction. Blaming Russia is comforting because it avoids the real conclusion. The crisis is not geopolitical. It is systemic.
Dude, you’re repeating Russian propaganda over and over.
West the same way as Russia is a victim of neoliberalism. When soviet union collapsed due to keeping the power in the hands of the same people for way too long, then neoliberalism kicked in the same way as in whole Europe.
Transformation in the east block created many oligarchs, oligarchs choose who will rule, and they support far right as much as possible.
And when western Europe choose democracy, because cold war pushed west governments to create middle class, east block people never had this opportunity. Easy block collapsed, all the goods, factories and so one, instead of being given to regural people, was stolen by the rulling class. I’m from Poland, so this is exact what happened. And then right authoritarian regime in Russia start to blame minorities like LGBT people for situation in country.
And then years after, west countries were fighting and winnings things like keeping high social benefits and winning rights for minorities, countries like Russia was way behind. Keeping power in a hands of rulling class, oligarchs, like in Russia or Ukraine. Always leads to collapse.
One of the ways for Russia to gain more power is to weakening Europe. Oligarchs and rulling class in Russia is not going to let go, they are living like tzar family when regular people are starving. They need weak and broken Europe to at least have some power in region. In Europe no one wants to be ally of Russian far right wing regime.
Btw Russia is not progressive, it’s a right wing authoritarian regime that is trying to replicate tzar imperium times, with oligarchs on top. And regular people on the bottom. With hated for anyone who is different.
I wish for Russia to have revolution again, so normal people could get the power, and oligarchs will be you know where
Just to clarify a few thing I don’t support Russia beyond them a pole against us imperialism at this current time. I also never claimed they were progressive please stop strawmanning me you shitlib loser and try engage with what I’m actually saying.
All that being said, you are reciting liberal mythology and pretending it has any weight as serious analysis. “Russian propaganda” is doing all the intellectual labor for you. You invoke it whenever reality contradicts the story you were taught. It just goes to show how deeply invested in western chauvanism you are. You keep pretending the West is some fellow victim of neoliberalism alongside Russia. That is absurd. Western Europe and the US were not passive sufferers. They were the architects and beneficiaries of neoliberalism. IMF structural adjustment, World Bank debt traps, privatization schemes, EU accession shocks, and global financial domination were imposed by Western capital on the rest of the world. Russia and Eastern Europe were looted. The Global South was super exploited. Western corporations made record profits. Your welfare states did not fall from the sky because “democracy was chosen.” They were built on imperial extraction. Western Europe funded its middle class through the super exploitation of Africa, Asia, Latin America, and the periphery. Cheap resources, stolen labor, unequal exchange, and military domination paid for your social benefits. When that imperial margin began shrinking, austerity became the name of the game. That alone proves it was never moral capitalism. It was imperial rent-sharing. Social democracy that you seem to hold in such high regard is not socialism. It is capitalism bribing one section of workers with wealth extracted from the rest of the world. That is why your welfare collapsed the moment the USSR fell and anti-imperialist movements were crushed. The money stopped flowing. So the mask came off. You keep saying oligarchs controlling society leads to collapse. Correct. That is capitalism. Not “Russian authoritarian culture.” Capital accumulation produces oligarchy everywhere. The US has oligarchs. Germany has oligarchs. Poland has oligarchs. Elections do not remove them because capital owns the economy before voting even begins. Calling Western capitalism “democracy” and Eastern capitalism “authoritarianism” is childish. You talk about minorities as if hatred originates from Russian propaganda. No. Reaction grows when material security collapses. People turn toward nationalism when housing, wages, healthcare, and stability disappear. Liberal identity rhetoric cannot substitute for bread. When capitalism fails to reproduce life, fascism appears. This is basic historical materialism. You also keep pretending Russia is some unique imperial monster trying to resurrect the tsar. Meanwhile the US maintains 800 military bases, sanctions half the planet, invades countries openly, and dictates economic policy across continents. But somehow Russia is the singular threat to world stability. That belief did not come from analysis. It came from Western media saturation. You are angry at oligarchs yet defend the system that produces them. You want revolution in Russia while defending the same capitalist structure in Europe that would crush such a revolution instantly if it ever threatened property relations. That contradiction is not accidental. It is social democracy. Social democracy is not the alternative to fascism. It is its moderate wing. It preserves capitalism during stability and collapses into repression when crisis returns. Historically, social democrats disarmed the working class, defended private property, and handed power to fascists rather than allow socialist transformation. Germany already taught this lesson once. You are not describing material reality. You are repeating the moral language of the empire. You replaced dialectical materialism with NATO talking points and think that makes you progressive. The far right is not rising because Russians whispered in Europe’s ear. It is rising because capitalism is decaying, imperial privilege is shrinking, and liberalism has nothing left to offer but blame. Until you confront that, you will keep chasing villains abroad while fascism grows at home.