This isn’t the “Marxist definition” of capitalism, it’s an analysis of existing systems. You’re focusing on definitions when I am talking about what exists in the real world. Classes do exist. Capitalists do control the media and the state. Capitalism cannot actually be “checked.”
As for my data on the USSR, you’re more than welcome to attack the points, but you didn’t. Instead, you handwaived the real and genuine material improvements made BT socialism. The USSR was not a unicorn paradise, it was a real system with real, dramatic, steady improvements that were massive leaps beyond what came before.
Capitalism leads to fascism, because capitalism centralizes over time and results in crisis, usually from overproduction or speculation gone awry. This results in boom/bust cycles, and in each cycle the capitalist class gets stronger and the workers get weaker and more desperate. Fascism arises as a violent means of suppressing worker organization that rises in response to crisis.
As for Hitler, he was voted against and still took power. Germany has never been democratic, except in the DDR. Capitalists wanted Hitler in power, so they made it happen. The loophole could just as easily been crushed had they not wanted him in power, which is why focusing on legalistic protections is horrible analysis in the context of highly biased class society, which is all existing society.
You’re focusing on definitions when I am talking about what exists in the real world.
To quote your earlier post:
capitalists definitionally hold power over the media, production itself, and more to gain what they want [emphasis added]
Oh, and of course capitalism can be checked. There are many examples worldwide, from anti-monopoly legislation to environmental regulations. Of course, as with everything in that regard, there are more and less effective variants.
As to your data: again, these trends exist in many other countries, including more capitalist ones. So yeah, maybe it’s not the socialism (or rather, your preferred form of socialism) that was the deciding factor, or at least it wasn’t the only factor. If you don’t even compare and contrast to other data points, your analysis is deeply flawed.
But at least you finally explained how you believe capitalism naturally turns into fascism… Or at least, how unchecked capitalism turns into fascism. But again, it’s possible to keep capitalism in check.
As to your Hitler argument: that’s an overly simplistic account that most historians worth their salt would deeply reject. There is so, so much important context that you’re leaving out - the stab-in-the-back myth, the massive reparations demanded from Germany and subsequent economic problems, another economic crash after that, and yes, the loophole was a gaping one (you could pass emergency legislation which could be overturned by Parliament, but you could use that emergency legislation to prevent Parliament from convening - something that many other constitutions have measures in place to protect against), and more. Ignoring all these other factors is, well, ignorant.
And Germany has only been democratic in the DDR? I know people who lived in the DDR, and they would want to have a word with you… Let me explain to you how elections worked in the DDR: voting was compulsory, there was a list, but you couldn’t actually choose anything - you just threw that list into the urn. Technically, voting was secret, but if you tried to cast your ballot in secret, you were immediately suspect as an opposition member. And yes, people got disappeared in the DDR, ICE-style. So there was absolutely no way you, as a normal person not part of the ruling class, could change anything. That’s not democracy by any stretch of the imagination, it’s a false legitimation of an autocratic government. Yeah, there’s a reason (or rather, many reasons) why many, many people attempted to leave despite the DDR making it deadly, and many people got shot just for the crime of wanting a better life than they could get in the DDR.
This isn’t the “Marxist definition” of capitalism, it’s an analysis of existing systems. You’re focusing on definitions when I am talking about what exists in the real world. Classes do exist. Capitalists do control the media and the state. Capitalism cannot actually be “checked.”
As for my data on the USSR, you’re more than welcome to attack the points, but you didn’t. Instead, you handwaived the real and genuine material improvements made BT socialism. The USSR was not a unicorn paradise, it was a real system with real, dramatic, steady improvements that were massive leaps beyond what came before.
Capitalism leads to fascism, because capitalism centralizes over time and results in crisis, usually from overproduction or speculation gone awry. This results in boom/bust cycles, and in each cycle the capitalist class gets stronger and the workers get weaker and more desperate. Fascism arises as a violent means of suppressing worker organization that rises in response to crisis.
As for Hitler, he was voted against and still took power. Germany has never been democratic, except in the DDR. Capitalists wanted Hitler in power, so they made it happen. The loophole could just as easily been crushed had they not wanted him in power, which is why focusing on legalistic protections is horrible analysis in the context of highly biased class society, which is all existing society.
To quote your earlier post:
Oh, and of course capitalism can be checked. There are many examples worldwide, from anti-monopoly legislation to environmental regulations. Of course, as with everything in that regard, there are more and less effective variants.
As to your data: again, these trends exist in many other countries, including more capitalist ones. So yeah, maybe it’s not the socialism (or rather, your preferred form of socialism) that was the deciding factor, or at least it wasn’t the only factor. If you don’t even compare and contrast to other data points, your analysis is deeply flawed.
But at least you finally explained how you believe capitalism naturally turns into fascism… Or at least, how unchecked capitalism turns into fascism. But again, it’s possible to keep capitalism in check.
As to your Hitler argument: that’s an overly simplistic account that most historians worth their salt would deeply reject. There is so, so much important context that you’re leaving out - the stab-in-the-back myth, the massive reparations demanded from Germany and subsequent economic problems, another economic crash after that, and yes, the loophole was a gaping one (you could pass emergency legislation which could be overturned by Parliament, but you could use that emergency legislation to prevent Parliament from convening - something that many other constitutions have measures in place to protect against), and more. Ignoring all these other factors is, well, ignorant.
And Germany has only been democratic in the DDR? I know people who lived in the DDR, and they would want to have a word with you… Let me explain to you how elections worked in the DDR: voting was compulsory, there was a list, but you couldn’t actually choose anything - you just threw that list into the urn. Technically, voting was secret, but if you tried to cast your ballot in secret, you were immediately suspect as an opposition member. And yes, people got disappeared in the DDR, ICE-style. So there was absolutely no way you, as a normal person not part of the ruling class, could change anything. That’s not democracy by any stretch of the imagination, it’s a false legitimation of an autocratic government. Yeah, there’s a reason (or rather, many reasons) why many, many people attempted to leave despite the DDR making it deadly, and many people got shot just for the crime of wanting a better life than they could get in the DDR.