I’d love to see AOC elected, but I doubt it.
Sadly, America will never vote a woman President.
2024 was definitive proof of that.
Trump was re-elected in spite of Covid being his fault simply because the other choice had a vagina.
Hilary won the popular vote and she was a warmonger but she was good at communicating unlike the idiot Harris
What data supports this? What exit pills show that people were concerned about voting for a woman at rates that matter? Cause there’s tons of data showing it was other reasons. Democrats need to get out the base, exciting candidates is how you do that
What exit pills show that people were concerned about voting for a woman
How many people openly admit to being sexist? Or racist? Or homophobic? Or transphobic?
Or even privately admitting it to themselves?
When she runs it will be as a sheepdog candidate like Bernie keeping disenfranchised voters herded up in the party with promises of change and a seat at the table if only they stick around long enough, which is always long enough until they realize theyve been screwed again and it’s too late to form outside coalitions. The DNC has been running these sheepdog campaigns since Reagan
Nobody listen to this troll. All I’ve ever seen them post is defeatist and self-destructive bullshit, pretending to be a leftist, but complaining on every thread about any actual left-wing action, derailing from the conversation and attempting to suppress any positive momentum. Flooding the conversation with strawmen and red herrings, bringing up unrelated nonsense as if to say why nothing is ever good enough, while never offering any suggestions or alternative ideas.
They’re either a right-wing plant or an agent of foreign influence. Either way, they’re posing as a leftist to try to stifle any progress.
Ignore them.
any actual left-wing action
Democrats are not left wing and can’t offer left wing action. Everything they do enriches the wealthy and corporations at our expense. Your devotion to your oppressors with a touch of stockholm syndrome is why we call you BlueMAGA.
I never mentioned the democrats, so quit it with your strawmen and red herrings.
If you’re honestly trying to compare AOC to an establishment corporatist dem, then I have no time to waste on your inane drivel.
If you knew any political history you would known she is
I WAS going to Vote for AOC because she Represents America instead of Israel until all I saw Day Old Accounts telling me Newsom was Better! NEXT time AOC NEXT Time!
It’s HIS turn
Right he has AIPAC $ support, so clearly he is the shoe-in. He just has to out-AIPAC Shapiro and Pritzker and he’s the obvious choice from our Israeli overlords.
/s. ?
I like AOC. I would vote for AOC. AOC will not win POTUS. We’re tried this twice already, and a woman who has had years of non-stop character assassination attempts lobbed at her is not going to win. It’s terrible that sexism and lies play such a big role, but that’s where we are as a nation. Dems had the right idea in 2020 setting up the first woman president via VP. Then they did the worst job possible of handling any potential transition, because of course they did.
You’re getting downvotes, but you’re right. She’s not ready. A Senate seat first.
The reality is she will run as an independent, split the vote, Donnie Junior wins.
Trump didn’t have a senate seat first.
There have been young presidents before
I think the young will come out and vote for her
Trump didn’t have a senate seat first.
He ran on the Republican ticket. Republicans have no standards except “immigrants and LGBTQ+ and liberals bad”. Democrat nominees actually have to have serious resumes.
There have been young presidents before
She’s younger than any president, ever.
I think the young will come out and vote for her
Know how many times I’ve seen people say young people would turn out big and then they didn’t? Literally every time.
Ahh yes, the serious resumes have AIPAC money on them. Those serious resumes are an anathema to voters who have consistent standards.
The vote for the dems is already split. The DNC wont abandon AIPAC’s genocide support-- and they dont have enough voters to win doing that. Same as last time. Until they learn to have principles and stand up for their voters instead of for donors they will continue to lose what should be easy elections to idiots and criminals.
Bush, Clinton, bush, Regan, Ford, Eisenhower, Truman, Roosevelt, Hoover, Coolidge, Wilson, McKinley.
The majority of US presidents between 1900 and 2000 never spent time as senators, most in no foreign policy position what so ever. Most didn’t even serve time in an elected federal office. Even less exposure to foreign policy in a governor position than a house rep.
Why is it different here? Who would you suggest, who has been “in the senate” or some other role more exposed to foreign policy? The other potential candidates that have even close to her level of public support have even less foreign policy experience.
This is absurd, it is nonsense, any excuse to discredit the only candidate who has real public support, not just a bunch of corporate funded think pieces.
A lot of people in here keep saying that AOC’s lack of experience doesn’t matter cuz >insert MALE example<.
They don’t seem to grasp just how sexist, among other things, this nation is. A woman has to try a thousand times harder and STILL lose to a twice impeached felon rapist pedophile.
If you play the politics game based on ideals, you’ll lose. And going with AOC is an IDEALISTIC strategy.
‘DarkFuture’, how many comments have you made across how many threads saying this same thing over and over-- multiple times per thread? Its almost like its your full time job to join threads and say this. Is it? Does it pay well and are they hiring?
tHiS cOuNtRy Is SeXiSt
points to boring corpo centrist candidates who happen to be women
Wow, if you don’t read what I say and just reduce it to something else, I sure do sound silly. Congrats on your smug internet points.
More .world team sports.
AOC is a Zionist. Disqualified. Next?
Reality: if you don’t vote or waste your vote because you’re unwilling to make the better bad choice, you are part of the problem.
This one issue voting stuff is a trap, it’s how the USA got where it is today.
Stop knee-jerking and go do something useful.
Actually this lesser of two evils shit is how you got here.
Voting for a lesser evil only legitimizes evil. I suppose it’s too much to ask for people to have principles though. Our childhood heroes would be ashamed of the adults we have become.
“We should all swear fealty to Saruman, because technically he’s less evil than Sauron.”
To be clear, I’m not talking about AOC, I think she has learned the error of her vote to fund the Iron Dome. But my point stands with regards to any corporate Dem.
This one issue voting stuff is a trap, it’s how the USA got where it is today.
thats … BS. Issues arent all of equal importance which makes your statement nuts.
A vote on naming a post office or whether we do school vouchers is not even remotely comparable to whether the US supports and funds a genocide, or demand basic human rights for all. Anyone (like yourself) using language which equates every issue as the same is basically being deceptive and manipulative.
thats … BS. Issues arent all of equal importance which makes your statement nuts.
That’s not what they’re saying at all which makes your statement disingenuous. Why are you talking about naming post offices? It’s the idea is no single, one, issue should be enough to outweigh every single other one.
The people who didn’t vote Kamala to “protest” her on Isreal literally contributed to Trump getting elected. Making the original comment very accurate so it’s kinda wild you’re calling it “nuts”.
Is she really though? I know about her seeming to vote for “defensive weapons” during a MTG ammendment vote as part of a larger negotiation, but theres also this – so maybe she just flubbed the one vote:
Yeah, AOC’s record on Israel isn’t as good as Tlaib’s or Omar’s, but it’s still better than 95% of Democrats. Only an idiot or a liar would call her a Zionist because she didn’t vote for a symbolic amendment for a bill she voted against anyway.
Also, you’ll notice that the people who gleefully brand her a Zionist or a Neoliberal never have an alternative to tell you about. They’ll tell you why every promising progressive is actually an imperialist, or why the DSA are actually corporate shills, why no one is actually a real leftist, but they never have someone they actually want to get elected. They just want to say “no,” or at best, they demand, “next,” without doing any work to find that next person.
Most people saying that kind of thing don’t believe in electoralism at all. They don’t think voting is useful. They believe in a litany of other things as alternatives, specifics depend on the group and individual.
But I found most of the people in that camp also aren’t… doing any of the alternatives they like to suggest as meaningful. It’s more like excuses to not do anything, take a “holier than thou” position, or to avoid being associated with something that could fail.
Some anarchist groups actually do “mutual aid”, which is to say, charity work effectively. Which is commendable, but also, like, not a replacement for participating in the political system that currently exists.
YUP. I once had someone tell me that the educating people on Marxism was more important that voting, because giving more people an understanding of theory would bring about a post-capitalist society. Meaning, “actually, my internet arguments are very important.”
If you don’t believe in electoralism, fair enough. It’s certainly hasn’t been serving us well the last 40 years (and especially the last ten). But if you’re going to judge everyone that engages with the political process, then you better find something better to do: join a grocery co-op, organize a union, start a commune. If voting isn’t the answer, do something else. Something besides talking. (Anecdotally, I’ve found anarchists are more likely to do something community oriented, or at least risk getting their heads kicked in at a protest, than a lot of other leftists I’ve known).
Yes, AOC is a Zionist. She believes Israel has a right to exist.
Mamdani has a much better chance than AOC, you think the US is a super civilized country but you guys elected Trump twice
If you don’t know the most basic 8th-grade level facts about US government, maybe don’t opine on US politics.
India and Mexico already had female presidents and both of those countries have very intrinsic machismo, but the US is not there yet. I don’t have any faith in the US, most likely scenario is that Trump runs a 3rd term because laws, logic and consequences don’t apply to him
What you missed is that AOC has a much better chance than Mamdani. Why? Because Mamdani’s chances are essentially zero. Mamdani immigrated to the US. Only natural-born citizens can be president. Mamdani becoming president would require the removal of this constitutional provision. That would require an act to pass by 2/3rds vote in both chambers of Congress and then for that amendment to be ratified by 3/4 of all the individual state legislatures. While this is theoretically possible, it’s essentially impossible. Immigration is already unpopular in the US. And there’s no way you’re getting 3/4s of the states, including many deep red Republican states, to amend the constitution so Mamdani can be president.
I see, didn’t know that Mamdani was ineligible, my point was that any female democratic candidate is going to lose, no matter how qualified, ironically the only way I see a possible female US president is if Trump passes the torch to his daughter
I think that’s just your sexism leaking through, honestly.
Maybe, but I remember when Hillary Clinton ran for president, She had the credentials, experience, rich, white, connected, running against a nobody, and She lost because of some emails she sent from a private server. Jump to 2026 and Trump now can be a Senile/Pedophile/Cannibal/Rapist/Inside Trader and nobody bats an eye
Although they are clearly incorrect about NYC mayors having a good chance at running for president, you are wrong about the us. You suck, you are bringing the world down, and you better get used to people having opinions about the us (most will be negative) and voicing them to you. Its going to happen more and more as time goes on, and just like when us has had opinions on almost every other place on earth for the last 80 ish years they are going to shove it in your face whenever possible.
Only natural-born citizens can become U.S. president and Mamdani isn’t one.
Yeap, that is correct. My point of people having stupid opinions that they are going to share remains however.
Our president isn’t supposed to be a rapist war criminal, either. The rules are dead.
I’m almost positive Washington did some war crimes, and Jefferson was a rapist, so that doesn’t hold up super well
Mamdani cannot run for president, he was born in Uganda
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is young and lacks experience, especially in foreign policy. But that may be exactly the kind of person we need as president: someone relatively untainted by both the DNC and the GOP, and someone who has not spent decades being shaped by corporate lobbying and the protection of profit margins.
We need leadership that is still capable of idealism, somebody willing to push for the kind of social programs this country increasingly needs if we want to reverse the direction things are heading right now.
AOC absolutely could be elected. A 2028 presidential run is not some impossible fantasy. The deciding factor is simple: younger voters would actually need to show up and vote in meaningful numbers.
Experience in foreign police meaning being completely in the pocked of military industrial?
No? I’m going with a no. 🤷👍
Young? I’d take young over dementia riddled. Besides, this country desperately needs fresh leadership and engagement from people who are younger.
If Emanuel Macron became French President at 39, I’m sure there’s no issue with AOC being 38 by 2028.
She’ll pick the right people for her cabinet, and she’ll listen to their advice.
The deciding factor is simple: younger voters would actually need to show up and vote in meaningful numbers.
I umm…got some bad news for you.
I know man… I know… America is so fucked.
lacks experience, especially in foreign policy
I honestly don’t think there’s a single real person that cares about this in the slightest. The only people I see unironically bringing up this argument are old people who preffer fascists over anyone younger than them.
O… kay…
So there are other countries on this planet aside from America. In fact, there’s an entire department of the U.S. government, headed by the person fourth in line for the presidency, whose sole purpose is handling foreign policy and relations with other nations.
Foreign policy is arguably the single most important qualification a president can have.
I’m 40 years old, and I’ve been saying this since I was a teenager because I’m not short-sighted enough to think the world ends at America’s borders.
And moreover, I literally said in my original comment that we may need somebody inexperienced like AOC at this point. Did you somehow miss that part?
I’m not American and my comment wasn’t meant to be negative towards you. This is an argument quite often brought up in my home country, usually by the group of people I mentioned. This is also because, similarly to the USA, pretty much all of the ‘experienced’ politicians are just horrible.
So all I was saying is that, in my opinion, when you take all of this into account, this qualification becomes worthless. Because you can either have a qualified fascist or an unqualified maybe-somewhat-good guy or gal.
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Mark Kelly would have a solid chance. I hate that I can’t imagine AOC ever winning.
Few imagined her winning in The Bronx, and yet.
The Bronx is a bit different from the US presidential.
Don’t get me wrong, I love her, and I hope to see her as president some day. I just don’t know if now is the time to play that hand…
It’ll always be the wrong time.
Not necessarily, but that’s a bit of a thought-stopper if I’m being completely honest
Well I meant it as a thought-starter, the subtext is no better time than now.
That completely ignores strategic thinking and long-term planning, which are essential parts of effective political praxis. The best option isn’t always “Do it right now.”
Have you heard the phrase “Play your cards right”? Just because you have the Queen of Spades doesn’t mean you should play her at the first possible opportunity.
Why would you endanger her political career by asking her to make a premature run for president? Even if she makes it through campaign season without being smeared into obscurity by the billionaire-funded propaganda machine, and even if she gets elected, then she still would have to start her term with the disaster inherited from the current admin, and likely spend years cleaning up the mess while being blamed for the mess that was handed to her.
She’s said herself that she still has work to do in Congress. Let her focus on that for a few more election cycles while the progressive movement builds momentum. She’ll be able to do far more as president with more progressives in Congress anyway. Especially if she can start from a sane baseline and focus on progress, not just disaster cleanup.
Running her now just seems like wasted talent, on top of recklessly endangering a relatively young political career.
Same goes for Mamdani. Let him serve a few terms as mayor, prove his policies work. Then a couple terms as governor before running for president. That maximizes the good that he can do, because after serving two terms as president his political career would essentially be over, even without being slandered by his opponents.
Everything we’ve witnessed about this country over the last decade really indicates this isn’t the time.
And the hands are getting progressively more risky every time we lose. People are losing rights now. Fascism is here. Long shots are not called for.
When is the right time?
Rhetorical question. Your answer doesn’t matter. The people who are willing to move ahead will do so with or without you.
Women have won in districts all over this country for decades. Never been president though.
Things change.
As a Californian, I truly believe there is no way in hell that the country will elect a Californian.
This is completely separate from the undeniable fact that Newsom has always felt like a slimy used-car salesman with his greasy slicked-back hair, and now only seems like he’ll do anything at all in the quest for MOAR POWER. There’s only so much goodwill slapping back at Trump’s tweets will get you and it certainly is nowhere near enough to get him the presidency.
As a Californian, I truly believe there is no way in hell that the country will elect a Californian.
Honestly I have to agree. California Democrats have a distinct style of politics that I don’t know if it sits well in a national election. I do wonder what happens if they seriously run a Midwestern Democrat rather than a coastal one. It completely changes the vibes when they’re from somewhere close to the outdoors and the farms, but without the baggage of a southerner
I can’t say I’m overly well informed about how politicians differ, but I think much of the rest of the country sees California as the evil west coast elites, and nothing will change their minds. Especially not Newsom.
Yup.
A white male astronaut senator with military experience who has openly stood up to Trump has a better chance than a woman of ANY qualification in this country.
That’s simply the truth in these Divided States of America.
Why Kelly? He’s pro Israel and pro big business. Pro ACA but anti medicare for all. He’s just the same old cookie cutter biden model centrist with no ideas-- that the public has already rejected as out of touch. I dont care at all that he was a navy and nasa pilot. Show me someone with ideas and a drive to lead in a positive direction? its not Kelly.
He’s just the same old cookie cutter biden model
Reminder that Biden is the only person who has beaten Trump. The two women failed.
And progress was made under Biden if you were paying attention. Maybe not tectonic shifting, but still progress. Which was a whole hell of a lot better than what we’re experiecing now.
There’s a very clear interpretation of events that the “America will never elect a woman president” completely seems to miss. Since 2008 every president that has been elected has promised significant change to help average Americans.
Obama promised hope and change as the country was in the midst of a massive recession and had just gone through a housing market crash of historic proportions.
Trump promised to drain the swamp, to self-fund his campaign and made some surprisingly progressive promises while he was campaigning (he then did absolutely none of that, jacked up the economy and grossly mishandled a global pandemic)
Biden also made some surprisingly progressive promises (and tried to pass them all in a single easy to block bill. Though in the background there were some brilliant policies which were passed)
Trump promised more change while Kamala was promising to maintain the status quo.
I think there’s a sizable voting block that just wants something to happen. They want to throw the electoral equivalent of a molotov cocktail into the mix so that maybe things will get better. They’re tired of nothing ever happening to help them and they want to reshuffle the deck so that maybe they can get a slightly better hand this time around. This is the nerve that trump found, he’s the molotov cocktail they threw into the government in the hopes for some kind of improvement. Now that that’s not working and he probably won’t be able to run again, it’s time to find the next candidate that will promise something other than “more of the same”
She’s the only federal level Democrat with any sort of broad public support.
No one else is note worthy or generally liked.
She is literally the only option. Anyone else is risking mass voter apathy and a voter turn out flop in an election that should be a slam dunk.
If you’re going to voted in the dem primaries, don’t fucking vote based on who “is most electable”, vote for who you want to win. Choosing the candidate that “is the most electable” keeps losing elections, because that crown keeps getting chosen by corporate owned media who just anoints that tittle to the most corporate friendly candidate, and voters don’t like corporate friendly candidates.
The most electable candidate is one who excites people, no one else even considered for running excites anyone except for corporate lobbyists.
I like her, but I also think Mark Kelly would be a strong candidate. Former military. Retired Astronaut. Wife survived an attempted political assassination. He stood up to the Trump administration who tried to charge him with crimes punishable by execution and waved it off.
Barley anyone knows his name or anything about him. If the candidate doesn’t throw down the gauntlet with the GOP and trump, show they can fight this shit, they will lose. Trying to convince ppl in a few months that that’s Kelly isn’t going to work. AOC is in the trenches fighting visibly, every day, and has Bernie’s backing, bigger name recognition, aligned with mamdani whose showing what’s possible with the next generation of dems, and is probably the best candidate with momentum to build around. I don’t know if even that’s enough though tbh.
He would be a strong candidate… if he had a larger public profile with the average voter.
I like him, but the average voter doesn’t know about him. He doesn’t even rank in battle ground polling.
If OP didn’t follow up his name with his CV I wouldn’t have remembered who it was…
I know who he is because I’m a space nerd and follow congressional politics closely, and I like him, but I also know that most voters don’t pay attention to congressional politics, nor remember the kind of news stories he’s showed up in.
Obama went from a nobody to an unbeatable candidate virtually overnight.
It seems to me that Kelly is a centrist who stands for nothing in particular. Why have you decided to support him? Sure being a navy pilot and a member of Nasa is cool, but we dont need cool, we need a dem who will take a stand on the issues for once. Issue support is what we need to win, not some cult of personality.
But have you considered how electable a zionist white thumb is in Trump’s America? /s
AOC voted to continue arming Pissrael, so…
You’re right, she is such a zionist I am sure AIPAC will help fund her race for president. 🙄
Strawman arguments are a weak response to being presented with facts you don’t like being reminded of.
I presented a counter factual. You show an instance where she “supported” Isreal and I show you a pattern of Isreal hating her guts. But I guess large trends like that aren’t relevant now?
He’s not my favorite. But he’d be a strong candidate.
They’ll ice her out and close ranks against her the way they did for biden against Bernie.
And they’ll lose again.
This sentiment is not actually mutually exclusive. If AOC will get iced out and the corporate candidate is guaranteed to win anyway, then there’s no harm in voting for her during the primaries
And voting for her in the primary, and not the corporate candidate in the general, is the best way to signal exactly what this shit is costing them.
America isn’t ready for competent leadership
Awesome. Be the change you want to see.
America will not vote for a female democrat
Stop repeating failure
Wow the gross pigs are really out in force today.
Accepting the reality of the nation you live in doesn’t make you a gross pig.
Wanting a winning strategy because continually losing has gotten us to the point where we’re losing rights and our Constitution has become toilet paper doesn’t make you a gross pig.
The last two highly qualified women were beaten by a low IQ felon rapist pedo. Trying to elect women to the presidency in this country is a losing strategy and that’s not really up for debate at this point. We aren’t that country yet. Clearly.
HiGlY qUaLiFiEd you neoliberals will blame anything on your losses except shit policy.
Hillary won the popular vote so she lost because you have a shitty system , not that she is a woman
Hillary smelled like status quo and behaved imperiously. Thats why she lost.
yea! because it wasn’t betrayal of the left base, and kowtowing to the establishment, or the botched run for president or the scandals. it was because she was a woman, right.
getting real sick of these garbage people
it was because she was a woman, right.
If you don’t think a SIGNIFICANT number of people in this country simply won’t vote for a woman, especially in the geographical areas that matter, you don’t understand the country you live in or how presidential elections work.
America isn’t mature enough to elect a female president
Add to this at the next election the republicans will have CBS,CNN,Fox, all the social media platforms, all the AI platforms
It won’t just be this person and their ideas versus the other guys it will be that guy plus social media, AI and the news networks
It’s almost an impossible task
America isn’t going to swing from an extreme right wing government to a liberal female democrat no matter how much you want it to or even whether it’s time or whether it’s the right thing
The goal has to be to win an election
Or you get four years of Peter theils marionette and palantir running every aspect of the us government
America isn’t going to swing from an extreme right wing government to a liberal female democrat
Bingo.
The goal has to be to win an election
Yup. You don’t win elections on idealism alone. If you did, Bernie Sanders would probably be president right now.
Or you get four years of Peter theils marionette and palantir running every aspect of the us government
DING DING. There’s WAY too much at stake to keep swinging and missing.
same thing was said by racists about a black president. turns out if you field a not shit candidate it doesn’t matter. Harris polled to win against trump, so she has the numbers to possibly win by all counts. too bad she snatched failure from the jaws of victory.
i am so sick of people pretending that the loss was because of the candidates gender when they ran a terrible candidate after dragging their feet on joe biden after knowing he was incompetent, at the fourth quarter, skipping a primary, backing both an unpopular genocide, and pushing connections with the establishment. i don’t think there was much she could have done worse. and yet she almost won.
Until they do.
…does xkcd ever miss???
Because we lost with two poor candidates, we shouldn’t try with a good one?
we shouldn’t try with a good one?
What makes AOC a good candidate? Because you like the things she says? Lot of people liked what Bernie said. Still lost.
There’s a little more to winning a presidential election than saying things a significant number of people like.
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She is a woman.
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She is not white.
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She is younger than any president, ever.
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She doesn’t have a particularly impressive political resume yet, which still matters to liberal voters.
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She is FAR left, which scares a lot of moderates.
These are all things that DON’T make her a good candidate in the United States of America.
Here we go with the MAGA disparagement of any women who shows political potential. Start tearing them down early, so when the time comes that they run for president, you can fall back on calling all those old lies her “reputation.” 30 years of defamation paid off with Hillary, so now it’s Standard Operating Procedure.
Why it won’t work on AOC:
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She is super intelligent, and we need a lot more of that at the top.
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She has been incredibly effective in Congress, not just for her constituents, but for the nation.
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She is fearless, something we need after so much cowardice from both Democrats and MAGAs.
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She will stand up to MAGA, and punish them.
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She is incorruptible.
-Her constituents love her, and will support her all the way, and she has plenty of national support as well. She’s one of the most popular members of Congress.
This was her first appearance before Congress, questioning Michael Cohen just before he went to prison for being Trump’s Fixer. He wanted to tell his story, but was visibly frustrated at the posturing and bloviating by the panel.
Then AOC was called, and she warned Cohen that she’d be moving fast. She started firing questions, and he answered them, naming names. By the time her five minutes was over, she had all the information necessary for Leticia James to files charges that led to Trump being found guilty of 34 felonies.
Nobody else has been able to make anything stick, but in her debut appearance in front of Congress, AOC hit Trump harder than anyone ever has. It is a HUGE mistake to underestimate her.
Thats who I want for president.
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AOC is THE only acceptable choice. She can win and she can rise to the occasion unlike the milquetoast white men Newsom and Kelly
Just wait until the DNC tanks her like they did Bernie.
Yea, its about time for the experiment to end. The results are failure.
I hope not
Greatest fuck up by the DNC in my lifetime
I mean, in theory, there’s nothing stopping someone from running for president from inside a jail cell. Front porch campaigns are a thing.
Luigi will be 35 on May 6, 2033. Which means the first election he could run in will be 2036. So, yeah better hope he gets off the death penalty at least. I doubt they would let him drag his appeals out that long.
But, let’s say he gets life instead. He could conceivably run for president in 2036. He could in theory run a front porch campaign for president from a jail cell. And precedent has been established that if he were elected, he would essentially be exempt from the enforcement of criminal judgments against him. (This was established even well before Trump came around.) So he could walk right out of that cell.
Alternatively, if you want him out the fastest, the most realistic, but though still long-shot option would be for some progressive firebrands to run for the presidency and governorships of New York and Pennsylvania, promising as one of their platform planks to deliver him a full pardon.
Eugene Debs got a million votes from a prison cell.
Should be green. Both to represent the source material, and the clean break we need from the DNC donorcrats.
Just what we need AOCIA to continue the zionazi genocide status quo! As fake as Mamdani and Bernie rofl
Now this is just a low effort bot. Like you guys aren’t even trying anymore
AOC rides the progressive image by talking positively about Palestine, but she consistently backs the liberal Zionist status quo. She propagates Israel “has a right to exist”, that criticizing Zionists is antisemitic, that resisting genocide is terrorism, that calling for freedom in Palestine is genocidal, etc.
They speak up about Palestinians being slaughtered, but they only frame it as Israel going too far in their legitimate response to being attacked. Like all Zionists, she pretends history started on October 7, She never addresses Palestinian’s right to self defense or resistance to 78 years of ethnic cleansing and colonization, she never condemns the root of the problem, just some individual headlines that will be forgotten.
She’s a neo liberal just like the lot of them, she’s slightly more “progressive” but she works hard to stop the wheel from turning too far left.
Neato
You forgot to call me a Russian bot
Really great stuff
ROFL yeah leave it to a nazi.ca user to continue the proud tradition of labeling actual leftists “bots” whenever they speak out against obvious plants to continue the right-wing ratcheting
Plenty of liberals think this is real.
