From the assumption that nets would only be installed as the result of a lawsuit and that the nets would cost the hospital money it doesn’t have, when in fact they probably save the hospital money.
Contrary to what people seem to assume, putting up minor obstacles to prevent suicide has been scientifically proven to be effective at reducing suicides not only at that specific location, but in the general area (meaning people don’t just find another way to do it).
Suicide is generally an irrational, often spontaneous act. Suicidal people are, in the vast majority of cases, not thinking clearly. Requiring someone to engage their brain enough to come up with another method of suicide often makes them also question whether they actually want to do it or not. Having a big open fall on the other hand, offers a quick, convenient escape that someone who is feeling overwhelmed or desperate might be tempted by, even if they wouldn’t do it if they had to actually make a plan.
Empirical evidence suggests that restricting access to certain suicide methods is highly effective at preventing suicide, prompting the construction of physical barriers in many high-risk jumping locations. However, some have argued that these measures are too costly and only lead to method or location substitution.
A related concept, requiring guns to be kept in nested containers where you have to open multiple layers has been shown to reduce road rage incidents. Every additional barrier provides a chance for you to remember yourself. And having an easy means of suicide around the house (such as a gun) increases suicide rates. People are not computers.
If you ask me (or the scientists who have studied this), any large drop like this ought to have nets, and people on the internet can whine all they want about it.
Very american point of view. My first thought was “oh dam, someone in a disturbed mental state (tbh I thought suicidal) attempted to jump/jumped and the hospital wants to make sure no one else hurts themselves that way! That’s good care!” But we can also look through the extremely negative POV of no one does anything good ever unless there’s money on the line, right?
This means that someone jumped, the family sued, and your local nonprofit hospital had to spend money it didn’t have.
I’ll never understand why so many people hate suicide prevention.
How much does a net even cost?
Where did you get in my statement that I dislike suicide prevention?
From the assumption that nets would only be installed as the result of a lawsuit and that the nets would cost the hospital money it doesn’t have, when in fact they probably save the hospital money.
This is just how it works, in my experience. Most safety precautions are installed in response to a disaster, not in anticipation of one.
You can’t tell me the comment I replied to wasn’t a negative reaction.
It’s funny that your name is objection and you’re objecting :) cheers
Well, perhaps because this is not suicide prevention, but just suicide relocation.
It isn’t, actually.
Contrary to what people seem to assume, putting up minor obstacles to prevent suicide has been scientifically proven to be effective at reducing suicides not only at that specific location, but in the general area (meaning people don’t just find another way to do it).
Suicide is generally an irrational, often spontaneous act. Suicidal people are, in the vast majority of cases, not thinking clearly. Requiring someone to engage their brain enough to come up with another method of suicide often makes them also question whether they actually want to do it or not. Having a big open fall on the other hand, offers a quick, convenient escape that someone who is feeling overwhelmed or desperate might be tempted by, even if they wouldn’t do it if they had to actually make a plan.
A related concept, requiring guns to be kept in nested containers where you have to open multiple layers has been shown to reduce road rage incidents. Every additional barrier provides a chance for you to remember yourself. And having an easy means of suicide around the house (such as a gun) increases suicide rates. People are not computers.
If you ask me (or the scientists who have studied this), any large drop like this ought to have nets, and people on the internet can whine all they want about it.
Very american point of view. My first thought was “oh dam, someone in a disturbed mental state (tbh I thought suicidal) attempted to jump/jumped and the hospital wants to make sure no one else hurts themselves that way! That’s good care!” But we can also look through the extremely negative POV of no one does anything good ever unless there’s money on the line, right?