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          I think it’s weird for beef jerky to be “the only thing I eat”, but I know people that do the “carnivore diet” and that’s supposed to be meat-only.

          Maybe it is code for some illicit item that you might measure in pounds and consume, but I don’t think that’s obvious or certain.

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    The DOJ does suck, and Epstein (and Maxwell) were horrific rapists and sex trafficers. However, the files don’t prove a widespread conspiracy, they instead prove what we already knew, that people in power are shitty people, who look the other way, and readily associate with deeply immoral criminals, just to gain influence and network. All this shit about a widespread cannibal cabal makes you look disturbed and conspiratorial, instead of facing the much less crazy, but arguably just as sad facts.

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      No I think I’ve spent the last 10-20 years listening to right wing pundits push crazier and crazier conspiracy theories.

      I don’t give a fuck what the right thinks. They can release the Epstein Files and prove all of this wrong in an instant, they haven’t — so they’re cannibals.

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        Why would the right’s crazy conspiracy theories influence reality? I get the projection narrative, but just mirroring what a crazy person says does not necessarily make it not crazy.

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          You cannot reason someone into a position they did not reason themselves into. What they think and how they feel does not matter, because they aren’t the ones in control of it.

          I am not mirroring a crazy person, I am shining a light on their crazy. If they’d like to set the record straight they’re more than welcome to, but the ball is in their court.

          Because of the cannibalism, of course.

          Edit: oh, and I know exactly how it influences reality — did you see what happened recently to vaccine mandates in the U.S.? We reduced the number of childhood vaccines from 17 to 11. The specific vaccines are: respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), hepatitis A, hepatitis B, dengue, meningococcal ACWY and meningococcal B. They’ve cited that only children in high risk categories should get these vaccines.

          If that isn’t evidence of crazy conspiracy theories affecting reality I don’t know what is.

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            Thanks for the correction, you’re right, crazy conspiracy theories do affect reality in that way. I meant affecting reality in a way where, no matter how many people say vaccines cause autism, it won’t make it reality. So by that example, no matter how much the right was ‘projecting’ about cannibalism and other stuff, that by itself is not proof, or proof of the contrary.

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              I meant affecting reality in a way where, no matter how many people say vaccines cause autism, it won’t make it reality.

              I understand where you’re coming from, and you’re absolutely correct. This is information warfare though, and one side accepts facts and science while the other accepts vibes. Cannabalism is a bad vibe, and if the right wing media ecosystem tries to sanewash it (like the whole ‘Trump isn’t a pedo, he’s a hebephile’ sham) — they don’t come back from that.

              We have to use their cognitive disability against them.

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        I don’t think I’ve defended billionaires, their existence is inherently immoral, regardless of whether they are cannibals or not. Also, I don’t appreciate the ad hominem remark. I was just engaging in the discourse, as I am interested in how misinformation and conspiratorial ideas develop and propagate.

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      However, the files don’t prove a widespread conspiracy, they instead prove what we already knew, that people in power are shitty people, who look the other way, and readily associate with deeply immoral criminals, just to gain influence and network.

      Right, it just proves there’s a widespread group of people who came together and came to an agreement about the crimes they were committing and how they would get away with it. Hmmmmmmm, I wonder what a word for that would be…

      conspiracy /kən-spîr′ə-sē/
      noun

      An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.

      An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.

      Huh, would you look at that, it WAS a conspiracy!

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        I just don’t believe there was a large, organized group of people doing cannibalism and such. It is extremely unlikely that such a conspiracy would exist for a sustained period of time.

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          I don’t care how large the group committing the acts are if there is, in fact, a large conspiracy of people actively protecting them. One person actively committing the crime is one too many, and anyone protecting them is complicit. If this were a bank robbery where someone was killed, the getaway driver still gets the murder conviction, even if he never went in the building.

          To bastardize an old saying, if there are 10 people at a table and they choose to let the cannibalistic pedophile sit down and don’t immediately eject them with a brick, you have a group of 11 people conspiring to protect a cannibalistic pedophile.

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      The released files literally include correspondence where Epstein is directing the conspiracy theories that Qanon/Rogan/4chan ended up pushing. And the rest of the files confirm that the conspiracies pushed were just admitting what he and his friends were doing but blame other people.

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        I don’t think that’s correct, maybe I’m wrong but the files released so far at least don’t include that. Regardless, I’m not disputing that he and his friends did horrific things, might as well have blamed them on others. I am just saying that extrapolating that to a large scale conspiracy with the active participation of the number of people suggested is super unlikely. This is in no way meant to defend anyone involved with Epstein, they are despicable ghouls who should suffer the consequences of their actions.

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        I’m no shill, just a skeptic. I get the righteous anger, I hate everything about the people involved too, we just disagree on what, in the grand scheme of things, are insignificant details.

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      I have not read any of the files yet, but I have been told they include unsubstantiated and un-investigated reports, some of which may be “trolling” and not even attempt to contain any truth.

      That said, cannibalism is, IMO, a lesser moral failing than what the victim reported (and continue to support).

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        I read a bit of the stuff from the tip line. Some of it is very raw, and that’s putting it nicely. Like, I had a neighbor who was troubled by delusions. Some sounded spot on like that, a story that wasn’t just absolutely wild, but didn’t fit with some known facts.

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      Most likely codename for drugs, “jerky” for something or other. It just takes away attention from the real crime of raping underage people. Yeah, maybe some got raped to death, but that don’t mean anyone ate them.

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      I think they were using the technique of adding periods for emphasis:

      AS. IN. THE. CASE. OF. NORMAL. SENTENCES.

      They must have missed that that’s not the way you’d emphasize a word by spelling it, and should instead have typed Z-E-R-O.

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    Viewing justice as the punishment of the guilty is conservatism 101.

    The real failure is that no legislation, law-enforcement, or court action has been taken to address why billionaires can snatch little girls off the street. The real failure is that rape is barely even illegal in the US, and it’s viewed as right and proper when powerful men have access to little girls the same way their wealth provides them with access to all rare and desirable objects.

    This isn’t because our leaders are sick, it’s because our society is. These men didn’t steal our daughters, we sold them out, cheap. No amount of Presidents in prison will change that.

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            How do you suggest we do that, as a start? Just “Destroy everything” isn’t a start, it’s a finish.

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              there must be an alternative first; we need the fediverse to be good and reliable before facebook can go down. otherwise people are not gonna leave facebook

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              these companies are always operating as if they were above any regulations. lets enforce the regulations.

              also break up these companies, each has lots of services that should be its own unrelated company, mostly because the big one has bought up small ones

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              Heavily regulate Meta, Amazon, Microslop, and others as corporations, introducing consumer friendly regulations that curb the power these companies have over daily life, impose massive taxes on people who have over, let’s just say 650 million USD in assets (not just liquid money) and give the laws actual teeth. Fines based on percent gross income for the corporation and hold both the CEO AND board of directors accountable for the actions of the corporation as a whole, then remove the ability for non-human persons to make political contributions. Just for a start

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                Who’s gonna regulate them? Clearly “the people” aren’t up to the task, considering how free we let the Epstein pedoclass run rampant. Most of our paychecks rely on them. How do we regulate these corporations? And how many steps away from that is getting billionaires to stop fucking our children?

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                More of a middle than a start. How do we actually do those things? Do I have to sign paperwork? Do I have to come into the dealership?

                People, especially online, are super good at the middle and end parts that they like to call “a start”. Terrible at actual starts, though.

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      I was raped as a child myself (Catholic gang not Epstein gang) you can go ahead and leave me right out of that “we”.

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    Most of those people are currently government officials in different countries around the world and they see Americans aren’t bothered by their high ranking criminals so they don’t bother with their own.

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    Reality is epstein ring is still running, kidnapping children and raping them and murdering them. We have zero evidence that any of it ever stopped, just that epstein was killed and maxwell imprisoned. But, not a signle reason to believe trump and the rest ever stopped.

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        Yet we permit them to do this every day. Most of us have jobs helping the wealthiest get richer, we get paid to help them, our lives depend on it, so that they can get rid of their crimes. I’m sure if we continue to slightly tweak the system from within, with permission from the pedoclass elites, things will get better /s

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      Exactly. It’s not random, they keep the worst, most damaging parts redacted or unreleased…