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I just post memes bud. Occasionally make them, but more often just repost them.
It’s the other way around, but yes, very much yes
I have no artistic skills so freebie: Arch is like Russian roulette where the odds are good but there is still a non-zero chance some update is going to shit the bed. I don’t even know how to convey that in meme form either.
The user interface on the left and the command prompt on the right does kinda highlight a barrier to mass Linux adoption.
if we want more people on Linux let’s normalize not having to use the command line for everything.
The left side says “Updates are happening, whether you want to or not” and the right side says “'Give me some updates, please”
agreed, but this does not address what I said
That is not the barrier. Most people stick to defaults and don’t know how to install an OS. When any person switches, they will try to learn an adapt. If it is a shitty experience, they will switch back to defaults. Updating your system through command line is not a shitty experience.
Some of the gen zers I come across can’t even double click an icon on PC.
There’s no reason not to have an update button somewhere.
Absolutely but it is not easy. It needs to have several layers of abstraction by hiding what packages are being updated and auto approving themselves without prompting for password. There should be an automatic rollback mechanism in place in case an update goes bad. Some programs will need to auto-update themselves as users would expect like google chrome, firefox — which I don’t think we currently have other than steam. Otherwise if a person skips an update, they will leave their system vulnerable to the security bugs in browsers.
That is not the barrier.
who said there is only one barrier?
they will try to learn an[d] adapt
you will, sure, but no not everyone will. think less on tech savvy people and more on those that know that “the Internet is the big blue e when I turn on the computer (their monitor)”
those people outnumber us tech savvy individuals at least two-to-one and they deserve an OS that is easier to use then memorizing command line commands
You’ve heard of archinstall, now get ready for
archupdate
(it’s an alias I made for “pacman -Syu”)
So Debian/Ubuntu still can’t into auto update?
pacman “See you”
It’s clear why many Windows users won’t switch to Linux, when people show them they’d need to use strange IT tools to use it. While, annoying, Windows doesnt need you to be an IT nerd. Linux doesn’t either, but to people outside of the Linux bubble, this is how it gets presented. That Windows update sure looks easier than some manual hack.
apt is NOT a manual hack
Apt-get is unnecessary nowadays, just use apt, especially for simple commands like this.
sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt full-upgrade && sudo apt autopurge
You forgot -y
&& apt-get mooI thought it was dist-upgrade
Update first, then upgrade
It runs so much faster if you do upgrade first \s
Good catch. Haven’t been using apt in some time.
sudo pacman -SyuIs it even
apt-getstill? thought they changed over toaptlong ago andapt-getis just a symlink for legacy reasons.At least that’s what I last read… (speaking as someone also loving candy) .
apt is a wrapper over the apt- binaries (apt-search apt-cache etc).
aptis meant more for user interaction andapt-getis more stable and more for scripting. Butapt-getis often used in online tutorials because it doesn’t really change.I think it wasn’t for APT but I once worked for a business with a lot of RHEL, the script that was updating hundreds of servers was using the user wrapper instead of the binaries. A warning was displayed in the script to warn not to use the wrapper for scripts.
I warned my team leader of the issue and was completely ignored and was said that it was an issue for the team that made the script in the first place.
I gave up.
A few weeks later, the poorly designed script botched a major update on hundred of servers because the wrapper had a tiny change and the update script didn’t handle it well.
It’s insane to me how much money a business can waste for stupid shit like that. The devs warned us not to use their wrapper to script on, the linux team did it anyway, my warning was ignored, many hours of engineers work was wasted fixing the chaos that ensued.
yaywhich yay yay: aliased to paru
sudo guix system reconfigure /etc/config.scm
Then you don’t even have to worry about what happens when an evil monkey unplugs your computer in the middle of an update.
sudo zypper dupThis is the correct answer.
There’s dozens of us!
A few dozens at least!!
[happy zypper noises]
It’s all fun and games until you one day you see:
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
And it’s complaining about packages you’ve never heard of before.
sudo apt autoremove && sudo apt autopurge -y
Linux noob here. Just upgraded hardware and reinstalled Windows and Linux on the gaming computers and even though I’m a complete Linux beginner, 9 out of 10 software issues were with windows! I couldn’t believe a gazzilion dollar company with thousands of employees still couldn’t get it right?
I reinstalled Windows 11 a while ago because of a software I struggled to get working on Linux (the adobe installer patches for WINE have since resolved that) and I had no idea how annoying the installation process is. You had to babysit it, and tell it your life’s story. Not to mention the amount of times it asked me to sign up for MS 365 and OneDrive. In the end, it enabled OneDrive anyway, despite me telling it to sod off at least half a dozen times.
And that’s just the install process. Using it is another beast entirely. Why do I need to accept a UAC prompt just to open a browser? Why does the browser need to update itself every time I boot the OS?
Why do I have to hunt all over the internet for basic stuff that should come with the OS itself? Even when I used an NVidia card I didn’t have to faff around with some stupid third party software to handle drivers, it was just there. Sure it broke all the time because NVidia is a garbage company, but it was right there!
