On the plus side, the Outlook team’s Agile burndown charts for the last 8 sprints look perfect!
Slopware
Good. I want all of the bloated software on my work machine. Whoever uses outlook on their personal device is making a very bad choice.
Slopslopslopslop
Gotta load up all that spyware first.
Outlook classic loads instantly? No that’s a lie. It’s never loaded instantly.
Modern Outlook isn’t great but it’s a leap forward. It’s also browser based, which is good for alternative OS folks.
If only we had the technology that would allow us to compile software into an intermediate language and provide a runtime for a multitude of operating systems, instead of running everything in a fucking browser. That would be so cool, that way a text editor would not need 2 Gigs of RAM. And maybe outlook would not take ages to load
We could name the technology .net or something. Or maybe name it after a coffee bean.
Making their email client an enhanced version of their web client has its drawbacks but it makes development a lot easier.
If only they had enough money to fund the development of both a native and a web version
I’m thankful it exists since I’m using Linux, but I use it as little as possible of course.
Outlook used to download emails to a local folder. Opening email was literally as fast as your computer’s HD read speed.
That is no longer true.
Also, no one is going to use microslop products on alternative OS. That’s an insane take.
Modern outlook downloads messages too, maybe you haven’t used it.
Many companies won’t care about end user os but are deep into the m365 ecosystem.
Opening an email via the web can never be as fast as opening one via a local cache.
Also, taking more than 10 seconds to open an email is just insane on its own.
Old outlook took forever to launch, and would sometimes hang for no god damn reason, but at least it would somewhat instantly open an email.
New browser based, slop injected outlook opens moderately quickly, but still hangs for no god damn reason and can’t open an email from notification in less than 10 seconds.
If not for vendor lock in and paid(?) shills, no one would ever use that garbage.
Maybe you don’t use it? It works fine, it’s fast and caches messages/content locally.
Outlook Classic does that, but Outlook Classic is going away in favor of a web browser pulling up outlook.com
That’s what this whole article is about. The fact that under new outlook, clicking on a notification will take however long it takes, 10-seconds in the article itself. And from what they said, they did the tests repeatedly.
Because it’s a not a mail client, it’s a web app, and those are slow.
Microsoft has even more market share on MacOS for office suite than it does on Windows.
MS: “why aren’t people using our product?”
People:
I’m still bitter about Mail & Calendar. It worked wonderfully, but of course they decided to discontinue it.
Jesus. Funny reading this today when my old Outlook has been a complete shit show since last week, with freezing, minute-long loading times and generally being absolutely unusable for no apparent reason. I’m really loving Outlook right now…
It’s a feature.
Wait, which Outlook? Outlook, Outlook (New), Outlook (Old), Outlook (beta), Outlook (omega)?
I just use the web one because I can’t be bothered trying to work out which of the 11 outlooks I actually want.
Outlook Copilot Copilot
Copilot copilot plus
… for Outlook
And Knuckles
Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series
Developers, developers, developers!
I have two Outlooks and neither of them work
Not true, with my 15th generation Intel processor and Samsung Pro SSD it only take six seconds to open /S
Seriously though, we need ever increasing software requirements so we can keep forcing people to buy new hardware. If that means we just stop optimizing completely and vibe code our way to the 16th generation, so be it.
We have outlook classic at work, and that shit takes a solid 5 mins to actually load up my inbox enough to become functional.
Outlook has always been shit, the new AI slop is just fuel on the fire.
Then you have show computers, or an inbox of 50GB+ of emails over the last decade. I’ve got about 20k (maybe around 15GB) email after archiving a bunch of data to a .PST, and it’s much snapper.
I have to hang onto my old emails, but I’ll archive to a local file since I don’t need them all the time. I do it by every year, it’s very helpful, makes Outlook Classic very fast again. The nice thing is the archives go into the Documents which is then backed up through OneDrive.
Then you have show computers
Definitely.
or an inbox of 50GB+ of emails over the last decade.
I didn’t think so? I do a mass delete every now and then, but there always seems to me more that it’s not displaying. /shrug
Ohhh damn it! Slow** computers smh…
Check the plugins list. Some companies have a few.
my work computer runs linux, so only o365 webmail outlook, and it’s… somewhat functional but the damn ai creeps in on every occasion.
automagic autocorrect that can’t decide if I’m typing english, finnish, or mix of both when the occasion needs it? Nah, autocorrect it wrong 100% of the time. But I did find a toggle for it after few weeks.
the apps menu to open eg. teams when needed? only options are copilot and “other apps” - which is also copilot.
not that I need teams that often, but wtf. I started using a bookmark rather than navigating the menus.
My department has a service that is abbreviated to PM. Since our organization uses Google for mail, I often have to battle with automagic corrections to every use of PM as a noun to “the PM”.
Fucking autocorrect keeps turning itself back on after I disable it in my settings. It fucks up more than it helps and I can type fine, including correcting typos and if I miss one the I miss one.
the fun part with (imo) most autocorrects is that when they correct a word, it’s so far removed from the original word that it basically becomes gibberish in context, whereas a word with one or two typos is still parseable by a human
Oh, I love “other apps”. My Teams once decided that obscure features like chats and calls belong in there.
Yes, Teams. Put your core functionality out of sight. That’s exactly what I wanted.
I think there’s an entire department within Microsoft dedicated to just making teams as bad as possible. Is cool features that other chat apps have had for over a decade that teams doesn’t support.
Heck, I’d love it if they added a toggle to not hard-pan all audio to the left channel and drop all input from my microphone until I restart Teams and log in again despite having logged in ten minutes ago.
The only solution, as you might’ve guessed, is the move to WinUI. We already reported that Microsoft is now fully committed to WinUI, with Rudy Huyn preparing a team to make native Windows apps, and so we may see a native Outlook too…
One can dream. The prevalence of web apps pretending to be native apps is unfortunate. Just because your devs “know” JavaScript doesn’t mean it is a good language.
So we are going ful circle back to native code, that has worked much faster for decades.
Web technologies on desktop applications was always a bad idea.
Just you wait until they start using webassembly to make native apps run
and tout it as an advantage! In reality it’s only more convenient for the dev, and just uses up more resources and have more moving parts on the client side
