İ am using pop os with my rtx4060 laptop. İ consider to switch an office laptop. İ will use it for editing and coding. İ love linux and open source but have to admit that mac is something different to me. İt is perfect. İ hate it is a product of apple but they did it really well. But also i want to use linux. But i cannot take 12 hours battery with linux laptops. İ could have buy tuxedo infinit book 14 pro but they dont ship to my country. What should i do?
Prisoner says his walled garden is perfect.
deleted by creator
What advice do you expect from a Linux discussion group? I suggest you do what you feel is right for a subjective decision like this, all hearing other people’s opinions will do is confirm your feelings.
Depends on your coding.
If there is a chance you end up programming for macOS or iOS you’ve got no choice.
just use what works for you? 14h battery life is gonna happen when we have proper arm laptops with good linux support, in the meantime you have to compromise. I think there are some arm laptops that are usable on linux, but it’s gonna be a science project not a stable workhorse machine
The Intel Panther Lake chips apparently approach the same kind of battery life as the M-series chips, so the newer XPS machines actually look like a worthwhile competitor that’s capable of running Linux.
But do they have the same performance per watt under real life workloads?
Intel CPUs are great at 100% idle, and 100% load. Anything less than that and they tend to fall on their face.
My 12th Gen. Intel laptop gets about 4 hours of battery life just doing Remote Desktop. Going full tilt it’s fairly efficient. At 100% idle it can be good. But a simple task that keeps the CPU lightly busy and it falls on its face.
For Mac, go with a Mac Book Neo.
That’s just a cell phone packed in a laptop case. It only has 8GB of non upgradable RAM.
terrible advice, no reason to get it unless you only want something brand new
it’s not a great laptop overall. 8gb ram, only runs tahoe and higher, no asahi linux, etc
I used a Macbook Pro (M1) for work and I loved it. But a few years in, liquid glass ruined everything making it laggy and incredibly frustrating to use. I had already installed Asahi and I switched to that full time, accepting some battery loss but keeping the excellent hardware still.
So, my point is that you might be able to have the best if both worlds. Look at the Asahi documentation and see if a supported (or even planned) device works for you, and use MacOS until you want to switch to Asahi. I would recommendation installing Asahi ASAP though in case Apple breaks it like they did with OS 27.
Just a suggestion based on my experience, do what seems best for you!
I would recommendation installing Asahi ASAP though in case Apple breaks it like they did with OS 27.
Did something happen? I was planning on reinstalling it with NixOS soon
I don’t know the current status but the macos update broke booting into Asahi. Everything is still there, just not bootable. I just haven’t booted, let alone updated, macos so I have had no issues personally.
Pretty sure Asahi fixed that problem already.
Just enjoy the MacBook. It’s a fine product. You’ll feel right at home in the Unix terminal.
How often do you work for 12-14 hours straight without any access to electricity?
If Linux is actually of any interest for you, giving up on it because of a few hours of battery life, feels weird for me. Why not invest in a power bank or make it work some other way.
With that said. You’re obviously free to use whatever you want to. I personally can’t stand Apple and their incredibly barebones, limited and locked down operating system.
It’s not 12-14 hours of straight working. It’s 12-14 hours without charging. Sometimes it’s just not convenient. Do you always go home from work and remember to charge your laptop? Never forgetting, consistently every day doing this?
Plus thanks to S0 standby using so much power just the laptop being in sleep is a decent battery drain.
Do you always go home from work and remember to charge your laptop? Never forgetting, consistently every day doing this?
Yes…?
Do other people really have a problem doing this?
I don’t know about you. But when I get home my work laptop stays in my backpack, and I don’t think about it. I need a laptop with enough battery life that I can get into work the next day and get through a 4 hour meeting without worrying if it’s going to die regardless of what I was doing the previous day.
It always stays in your backpack at home, and your meeting rooms at work don’t have electricity?
It’s not always accessible. Not all tables have built in outlets in spots that’d reach where I need to be.
Talk to the person in charge of the meeting room. Every meeting room should have good ventilation, electricity and water. It’s like human rights kind of stuff. :D
this is a bizarre response, so what do u do the day after that when you forget to recharge?
Meetings. Have you never had a day where you’re constantly bouncing between meetings, or helping others?
Yes. Life gets in the way sometimes.
İt is not only the battery life, it is heavy, hard to carry, it is and windows gaming laptop so i cannot even use it without on charge
Didn’t you talk about getting a new laptop computer?
I am a little confused by the reasoning here. Is battery life your only consideration at all? Are there any other criteria which influence your choice?
It seems like a shame to jump ship on an entire ecosystem solely because your current machine has disappointing battery life.
I recently got a machine with the new Intel 358H and the B390 iGPU. I haven’t used it a ton yet, but it seems like it gets around 8-10 hours battery life on normal web browsing/productivity tasks in my experience, and while not as powerful as an RTX 4060 (Most benchmarks place the B390 somewhere between a 3050 and 4050), I imagine would be serviceable for editing and coding.
Which laptop do you have? And battery life isnt the only reason, it is too heavy, it is actually made for windows and it made from plastic. İ want something put your bag and forget. İ dont need rtx4060 anymore
It is an HP Omnibook 7, model 16T-BH000. Mine is 16", but it also comes in a 14" model called 14T-HG000 with the same 300 series processors if that is your preferred size.
It has an aluminum chassis, and I got mine configured with a 120Hz OLED screen. 70Wh battery on the 16" and 68Wh on the 14", though a 3% difference in battery is probably not enough to be noticeable. The 14" weighs around 1.44kg/3.17 lbs while the 16" weighs 1.96kg/4.32 lbs. I think that is actually a smidge lighter than the Macbooks, but not as light as something like the LG gram or the Asus Expertbook series, though I can’t speak for either of those as I have never owned them.
HP runs sales on their website frequently, so while my configuration normally would have cost around $2200 USD, I got it on sale for around $1600.
Edit: though I guess per your criteria above, yes, it does come with Windows installed and I ended up putting in a second SSD and installing Linux on that. Buying my own SSD was cheaper than upgrading to a 2TB option on their website, and it has two NVMe slots, so now I can dual boot as well. Also bear in mind that in a Macbook, the SSD is soldered to the motherboard and non-removable.
MacOS + Nix Package Manager with flakes enabled. I haven’t tested it out myself though.
well I could give you a solution, generally with x86_64 architecture they use a lot more wattage than macbooks, m-chip SOC’s (system-on-chip) utilize about 30W of energy whereas just a modern x86_64 CPU utilize 15W. which means you have a 15W overhead for your GPU and memory generally speaking.
So the entire reason your getting less battery life is OS required applications for it to function, and you. So if you minimize the amount of wattage (ideally building a linux system from scratch) you can optimize it to consume less resources.
I did this with my personal laptop, installed arch and mangoWM, didn’t even bother with a display manager or network manager (still use iwctl). on idle it uses about 600 MB, and I’ve beaten the m1. my point is not to compare or benchmark the macbook, but to just show you that you can maximize battery life with a little tinkering. So long as you are comfortable doing it.
I have used pop_os and cosmic DE it should be noted that is a beta version of pop_is, which means there are plenty of bugs, which means there are still a lot of optimizations. the fact you could get 12 hour battery is kinda surprising especially with a nvidia GPU.
ThinkPad and Dell have a bunch of Linux compatible notebooks.
If you are in a European country not being locked into apples ecosystem would be a major argument for me.
Story time: My first Mac was the first generation of Mac Mini that had an Intel processor. It could play WoW and was so much more convenient than the Linux distros of the day, and so much more stable than Windows. What more did I need? Sure, OS X was no BeOS, but it was pretty good.
And so I bought a series of Macs for myself, while at work I mostly used Linux or Windows. When I got my first MBP, I was shocked at just how good the trackpad was and what the battery life was like. My last Mac was a 27” iMac. It was mostly great, but the upgrade ability was limited to a pair of RAM slots without major surgery.
Meanwhile, at work I was using Linux 100% of the time and it had become so much more user friendly and had so much better hardware support that I couldn’t justify spending the money on a new Mac. And Macs still had crap gaming support.
So for my next computer I bought… a Steam Machine, the old set top box from Alienware. Why? Well, I wanted to play some games, my iMac was ok enough for basic email and browsing, and I had a great TV setup.
And then I moved. The iMac screen died in the move and it cost more to replace than get a new Mac and still would be un upgradable , so I started daily driving that Steam machine. And omfg I had forgotten how fucking terrible Windows was as a daily driver, but at least my gaming library was was good.
Soon a friend really needed a computer and had no money, so I built myself a new desktop for less than the cost of an equivalent Mac and gave him the Steam machine. I set it up to dual boot Linux so I could also use it for work. But windows was still awful, so I ended up only switching to it for games.
And then Valve started heavily supporting Wine. And the games I was playing most ran on it. So I wiped the Windows partition and never looked back.
I’ve kept that desktop as my main machine and upgraded hardware in it a few times. Though at this point it’s been five years since I’ve updated anything and it’s still fast enough that I don’t see any reason to.
But I did want a laptop. So, in a narcoleptic haze I bought a pair of low end Thinkpads for $50, plus a new ssd and battery for one of them. I literally can not tell you what I was thinking when I did, because narcolepsy. But here’s the thing, even though they are 15 years old and were low end when new, they run Debian great and I daily one of them when I need a laptop.
My current work machine is a very high end MBP and it is amazingly fast, quiet and has incredible battery life. But I only really use it as a ssh relay to ssh into my cloud workstation. It’s just sitting there, plugged in and doing nothing that a RaspberryPi couldn’t if I could get corporate IT to register it on their Tailnet.
What’s the point of all this story? You can get yourself a Mac, and it will be a great piece of hardware until it isn’t, and then you won’t be able to repair or upgrade it. Or you could spend half as much and build yourself a nice desktop, keep your laptop for when you need to be on the go, or switch it for something with swapabable batteries.
Either way, a laptop and a desktop is probably better for you and won’t cost more than a MacBook Pro.
ahem
Get whatever the fuck you want.
Running Linux on a Macbook is also an option (what I currently do, you need a supported model though), and it would probably have better battery life than an rtx4060 laptop and you get the nice touchpad/screen/aesthetics. Alternatively, you can consider getting a different less power hungry laptop, and in both cases you can use a charging bank if you have to.
