Asked about the violence in an interview with the Guardian, he said: “I can’t judge things of that enormity from where I am as mayor of Greater Manchester.”
  • Mrkawfee@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    17 days ago

    The UK were instrumental in giving birth to this settler-colony by issuing the Balfour declaration in 1917, taking Palestine over after World War 1, arresting and executing Palestinian nationalists during the Arab uprising in 1936, and training the Irgun and Hagana Jewish terror gangs and then promptly high tailing it out of there when the going got rough. So its no surprise that British politicians are hand in glove supporting this current genocide.

    • kreskin@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      16 days ago

      Not that Balfour was well written or overly centered on justice, but Israel immediately violated what protections Balfour had.
      Balfour specified that “nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine”.

      Zionists immediately launched into violating civil and religious rights in minute #1 of the Israeli states existence and theyve never stopped for a single second of that states existence. There has never been an Israel there that wasnt based on hatred, racism, and vicious oppression that massively violates civil and religious rights.

      You also said the UK trained Irgun. I think you are mistaken. Irgun was primarily trained by instructors from the Polish Armed Forces in 1938 and 1939, with supplementary instruction received at the Military Engineers School in Fascist Italy. The training was facilitated through partnerships forged by Vladimir Jabotinsky’s Revisionist Zionist movement.

      Irgun was attacking the Brits with terrorism attacks right before Balfour. Heres a timeline of that terrorism against the British.

      https://www.palquest.org/en/overallchronology?nid=139&chronos=139

      • mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        16 days ago

        It was simply imposible to create israel without ethrnic cleansing. Belfour was just another scummy politician pretrnd yo have conditional support for an iligitimate state.

  • Mulligrubs@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    17 days ago

    Israel is doing exactly what it was made to do, why would the USA and UK betray their own creation? Especially since it’s working.

    • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      16 days ago

      It’s the greatest and most successful White Supremacist Nation of the present day, so of course it elicits warm fatherly feelings at least amongst the British Elites (who, by the way, before Hitler invaded Poland actually liked the NAZIs)

      • fonix232@fedia.io
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        17 days ago

        Only for the similarly Israel funded Reform to win, because while we keep fighting on whether the next candidate is anti-Israel enough, Reform manages to unite the dumbfucks of the country.

        And if Brexit has proven anything it’s that the damn country has way too many dumbfucks who’ll gladly throw away everything just so a guy who blames the “right” people for the country’s troubles gets to be PM.

          • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            16 days ago

            The “I’m flexible when it comes to child mass murder abroad if that stops the far-right for 4/5 more years here” crowd are something else.

            That’s not having any Morals or Principles beyond “what in it for me”.

          • kreskin@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            16 days ago

            Same here, we are the worst. Basically terrorists for resisting fascism and genocide. We should be ashamed of our racism.

            anywho… should we make tshirts? bbq maybe?

        • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexusEnglish
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          17 days ago

          I agree. Labours weakness in recognizing that a more leftist oriented stance is needed will be a windfall for the Reform Nazis.

          • floofloof@lemmy.caEnglish
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            16 days ago

            Because the alternative is to criticize Israel, and that’s so impossible for him to consider that he’d sooner hand the UK over to fascists.

        • isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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          16 days ago

          So, lesser of two evils is the game? If that’s the game we’re playing, than will you be voting for Reform or Conservative? Because we can’t vote for third parties like Labour. That would be throwing your vote away. The two top parties in the UK right now are Reform and Conservative. If you believe that red lines don’t matter, and that all that matters is choosing between one of the two parties that will win, then that means your choice currently is between Reform or Conservative. Labour is a third party. Labour is not a valid choice for anyone trying to be strategic and choose the lesser of two evils.

          So, will you be voting Reform or Conservative next election? Or suddenly will the lesser evil no longer apply?

          The only way anyone can support Labour right now is if they reject the lesser evil approach. Of course, if you do that, then you have no place whining about the red lines other voters have.

          • Log in | Sign up@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            16 days ago

            The two top parties in the UK right now are Reform and Conservative

            That’s untrue by any measure.

            If reform is top by voting intention, conservatives are third or fourth. If conservatives are top by MPs, reform are sixth or seventh.

            But it is true that actual Nati slogan-repeating racist, muslim-hating Nigel Farage has been polling highest, and it’s legitimate to worry about him doing in the uk and the middle east what trump is doing in America and the middle east.

  • Tiral@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    16 days ago

    So… It being called or not being called a genocode is the divide to where killing civilans matters? Interesting

    • kreskin@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      16 days ago

      In the US if its acknowledged to be a genocide then some existing laws take effect that mandate stopping all aid to the genociders and sanctioning them.

  • skisnow@lemmy.caEnglish
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    16 days ago

    I’m somewhat suspicious of the way the Guardian didn’t actually publish the interview itself, but just their journalist’s writeup of it. We’re not told what the question he answered actually was, just what it was “about”, and then the headline writers of the outlets quoting that quote take it a step further into implying that he’s a full-on genocide denier.

    • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
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      16 days ago

      The UN has called it genocide. I don’t even think we can joke about diet genocide anymore. I’m not really sure what other international authority on this type of stuff needs to call it genocide for people to stop tiptoeing around it.

  • Skullgrid@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    16 days ago

    hey guys, this labour leader is not better. Let’s allow “Reform” to win so that they can do the same thing AND purge britain of all the brown people and gay people.