Free trade agreement with the USA. You know, that thing that dug us out of the hole the LAST trudeau got us into and that is in the newspaper every single day now? Holy crap you’re out of the loop. How have you never heard of the free trade agreement between Canada and the US?

the libs didn’t pass our banking regs. Our major banking reforms, credited with saving us during the recession, was authored and passed by Brian Mulroney in 1987 and 1992 and changed canada entirely. which set us up for prosperity later.

Harper spent over $100 billion in infrastructure. He didn’t spend Even a billion on advertising. You really have no knowledge of any of this it would seem. Maybe you should do some more reading before you talk

During Stephen Harper’s tenure as Prime Minister (2006–2015), the federal government spent an estimated $750 million to $757 million on advertising campaigns., https://www.google.com/search?

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Nope, it doesn’t mean it’s turned around. I can go over the numbers and circumstances leading up to each and every one if you like. I feel like that won’t work out the way you wanted,

The conservatives came up with gst, free trade agreements, and banking changes that saved us during the worldwide recession, they came up with ‘shovel ready’ infrastructure models during the recession which really worked for us, along with the cmhc buy back which was nothing short of brilliant and kept our banks flush with cash to lend, and about a dozen other things. And PP has proposed many ideas that would make a substantial difference right now. Carney steals ideas but can’t implement.

I’m sure it’s upsetting because it doesn’t meet with your narrative but that doesn’t make it less true.

Yeah I’m kind of seeing that. Well, maybe he’ll be able to defend his position this time

No. You’re wrong. Here’s a chart

As you can see almost all of our peaks are always around the liberals. The liberals almost unanimously add massive amounts to the debt

Worse the liberals usually leave things in such a mess that we have massive inflation that has to have massive increases in interest rates which makes the debt grow even faster and they just leave that for conservatives to deal with

So it would be you who is rewriting history and badly at that

Trudeau racked up debt and massively spiked inflation, mulroney put that down

Chretchen only reduced the deficit and debt by stealing 70 billion dollars from the unemployment insurance fund and left things a mess, harper scared us through the economic crisis

Justin Trudeau borrowed more money than every other prime minister before him and Carney is set to do the same

The only people who have had good ideas in the last 60 years have been conservatives. And Carney ran on conservative ideas now.

Sorry kid, you failed that one hard

Absolute nonsense. It was a conservative government that dealt with the massive debt left by the liberal governments under the first Trudeau the negotiated the original free trade deal that saved our asses at the time. It was a conservative government that moved from the hidden taxes to the GST which made things considerably better as well. It was a conservative government that wrote the banking act that saved us during the great recession while the American banking system collapsed.

And it was a later CPC government that pulled a bunch of extremely unique and Innovative tricks to get us through the great recession largely unscathed compared to other countries. Tricks that Trudeau would later use but had never been used before.

The current conservative party is making dozens of extremely good suggestions that would radically change how things are: And Carney based his entire campaign off of other conservative suggestions

It would be more accurate to say that conservatives are the only party that proposes solutions. The liberal steal some of them and then fail to execute

Unfortunately doing what we want is not really an option. It’s not a question of whether or not we’re going to lose it becomes a question of whether or not we’re going to lose or we’re going to lose horribly and with disastrous consequences.

Trump is unlikely ever put the 50% tariff on us certainly not for anything time but he might very well put tariffs on us that are lower. And we simply couldn’t survive that. We might be able to diversify our economy in the next 20 years or so but not any time in the immediate future,

Future so at the end of the day we’re going to have to give him what he wants and get what we can get which is going to be terrible.

Carney played a strategy of string trump out to the midterms and hope that he loses badly at the midterms and in the meantime give him whatever he wants to drag things out. So we came down every thing from the bridge to the DST etc

But now trump thinks that carney will came on anything and he’s not going to wait till the midterms.

So now we’re in a tough position. We can’t walk away cuz if trump actually does put those tariffs on we’re dead. I mean really dead, like declare bankruptcy and live like Mexico dead

He’s doing that anyway. That doesn’t change. That’s what happens when you cave to him every time he asks for something like Carney has.

But he does tend to honor deals. He never ripped up kousma even though he slapped millions of other tariffs on us. CUSMA is still in force.

So no matter what happens if you have a deal the business community takes it as a certain degree of certainty and is willing to invest based on that. I guarantee you it is Infinitely more expensive to have no deal and no investments in Canada. It’s not even a question we simply couldn’t possibly survive it. We would become a third world country if investment keeps fleeing the way it has been for the last five quarters

I don’t know how much analysis this needs. He wants to try and get a deal with carney on terms that work for him and he’s threatening a new killer option if carney doesn’t give him what he wants. He wants to take the rest of the Canadian Auto sector and he wants to be able to dump dairy products into Canada. Until carney agrees to that there’s even going to be any negotiations and trump is going to hold this over Canada’s head until he figures he’s got to win

And the problem is every minute that this is in play guarantees no investment in Canada. Nobody’s putting a nickel into Canada until they find out what’s going on

That’s not much of a tactic. We simply can’t afford another two and a half years of this. And there’s a very real chance that the republicans will win again and no reason to believe that the next republican will be any nicer to us. I simply not a winning strategy

I disagree entirely. Carney is entirely reactionary and has no plan for the long term.

Let’s take a look at some of the evidence. He had no plan whatsoever to arrive at a deal with trump. That is now obvious. There was no strategy or anything. He just gave trump what he wanted and hopes that trump would have mercy, and that’s just not trump.

He claimed that we would build houses at a rate not seen since world war II because he knew that’s what people wanted to hear at the time. But he had absolutely no plan to deal with that and worse not only are we building fewer homes than we were but his big strategy was to bail out the developers because they’re having their first bad year in almost two decades.

He claimed that he would create a law that would have private investment building pipelines in Canada. And his weirdo Tinkerbell law that said he can magically wave his wand and make something legal that isn’t legal didn’t impress the industry at all and was a horrible idea. Now in reaction to that he’s offering to put up taxpayer dollars to build a pipeline but he still hasn’t put forward any kind of business cases to why that’s the best idea for Canada. He’s only reacting to Alberta threatening to separate

I could go on for some time but the fact that matter is everything he does reacts to what’s happening at the moment and there is absolutely no long-term planning

And there’s no chance by the way of every other country in the world replacing America as our trading partner. The one thing he did say that was correct was that Canada could be its own trading partner if we eliminated interprovincial trade barriers and that would replace a good deal of what we send to the states. He said that was going to be one of his focuses and produced a report showing that it could almost entirely make up for what we lost with the Americans

Then he got elected and found out it was hard and abandoned the idea. He eliminated one federal law that really wasn’t a problem for anybody and then after one meeting with the provinces gave up and ran away. Now he’s flying all over the world spending billions of dollars and not bringing back any significant amount of money instead of spending that time working with the provinces to find a way to create an economic union between them that would solve our problems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zttOoJwvi6A https://nationalnewswatch.com/2026/07/16/we-paid-for-the-bridge-now-were-paying-the-toll

I can post about a dozen more if you need to.

Turns out your no name influencer was wrong. The deal was leaked to boomberg and it does NOT include payment on the interest to the debt which carney had suggested, and it’s a worse deal for us than we had. Mark Carney caved And gave a better deal to the president instead of standing up for Canada. As he has done many times in the past.

Well I’m sure the Prime Minister appreciates you’re desperate efforts on his behalf to justify his actions against Canadian interests the facts are the facts

I don’t think you get how it works. The American stop buying our products and start looking for other products. But most importantly a lot of the goods and services that are manufactured in Canada only are able to do so because they sell to America so when Americans stop buying that product it’s cheaper and easier for those companies to just set up in America instead.

Trump knows this very well. More tariffs cripples are economy and prevents the investment we need to stay competitive or become competitive as we’ve fallen behind

This is just another excuse to try and bankrupt us to try and encourage us to become the 51st state

Do you think Carney’s going to do that? Carnie who’s giving trump everything he’s asked for so far and just caved on the Gordie Howe Bridge? Why do you think trump is doing this, he knows he can get whatever he wants at a Carney and look like a hero

This confirms my long held belief that hedgehogs would be fun at parties. They’d be like little mobile snack trays

Reading the comments I don’t think people understand what’s involved here.

The companies are moving to the states because that’s where the majority of their customers are. Which means it’s not viable for them to stay in Canada and only sell to Canadian markets.

Which means nobody’s going to be replacing these businesses. We’re talking about hundreds of thousands of jobs that will be lost with no replacement.

The state can’t nationalize them, the workers can’t take them over, they’re just not viable as businesses anymore.

And all those businesses and all the people that work for those businesses pay taxes. Which means we’re going to have less and less money to provide services the people who are poor etc

This isn’t about giving states our money, this is about us not having any money anymore. I think people need to wake up to the reality of how serious this is

The beings are finite but the wealth is not. I don’t know how to explain this more simply. If you fall into the ocean there’s only so much water you can drink so your ability is finite but from a practical point of view the water is infant.

This is extremely simple, the point is the limit is the person not the wealth

And no I’m just trying to find a way to explain it to you that will make it easier for you to get your head around. Honestly I’ve never had this kind of trouble explaining this concept to someone. My mother gets this.

Bottom line is that your lack of wealth is not because somebody else is hoarding wealth.

No it’s not, god it’s like talking to A four-year-old.

The wealth is infinite. There can’t be a shortage of it. Our capacity can be limited. Therefore when we’re talking about the real world that we live in it is dumb to talk about wealth as if there’s a shortage and it makes sense to discuss capacity to create wealth.

Can you just not smart enough to have this conversation I’m sorry. I’m trying my best here but you keep making statements that are absolutely asinine because you have fallen in love with this idea that somehow there’s this limited supply of wealth out there and someone’s hoarding it and that’s why you don’t have any. That’s just not how it works

That’s basic economics. Had you gone to a real school to study this stuff you might have realized it. Wealth is infinite, our capacity to generate it is limited. Your comment is no different than if somebody were to say there is a finite amount of kinetic energy in the universe. That’s just not how it works

I know the wealthy aren’t taking any resources from the rest of us. Wealthier in a position where they can create wealth at a higher and more effective rate. But interestingly enough that wealth creation actually benefits us and we make more than we would have as a result of it, not less

I’m afraid if you’re poor it’s your own damn fault you can’t blame it on anyone else. You have every bit as much of potential to increase your wealth and become extremely wealthy as anyone else and if that was your primary focus in life you could certainly do that. While it takes a lot of work it’s not terribly hard.

You have a fundamentally flawed view of what wealth is. Well isn’t a thing. It’s not like there’s a limited amount of wealthonium in the world and whoever holds it gets it and nobody else does. That’s not how it works.

Wealth is created through activity. Without the activity there is no wealth. Therefore the supply of wealth is endless, the problems usually come with limits or issues with the activity

So no, increasing wealth inequity is not the issue. The issue is that people are struggling harder and harder to be able to do enough activity that’s worth enough value to be able to get what they want. That’s true whether there are wealthy people or not

So the underlying issue is that the middle class and poor class aren’t able to create enough wealth to meet their needs and that has nothing to do with the wealthy. You don’t address that by worrying about what the wealthier doing, you address that by creating more opportunity for the middle class and the poor. And funny enough to do that you need the help of the wealthy which they are more than happy to give if they feel that it will be successful

Right now the tax burden and other burdens on the middle class prevent any disposable income or time that would allow for them to increase the value of their skills or begin to acquire assets and that is the problem. The wealthy are not excited about starting new businesses or educational opportunities that would fix this because they see the country as failing

And no reactionary politics does not follow from financial systems in the slightest.

I didn’t say whether or not it was a success I said it proved me right. Wealth inequality is something that people that don’t understand how money works talk about. Whether or not someone else is richer than you has nothing to do with how rich you are. It’s not a measure that has any particular value. Reactionary politics has nothing to do with our financial system that’s something else.

And most of that is a product of the last 12 years or so. And much of that problem was created by an imbalance between the growth of our population and our lack of ability to supply the needs of that population. As I have already pointed out with regards to housing, medicine, education, etc.

And that becomes a cycle or death spiral where are inability to supply leads to inflationary pressure and low wages which leads to our inability to supply etc

So bringing in low-wage people in any way shape or form make the economy stronger. At best it can mask weaknesses and cover them up for a short time until they kind of blow up in your face.