Are there mobile desktops for Debian?

If you just want the DE and to configure everything else yourself, you can always just install phosh or sxmo on top of a debian/raspbian installation.

Mobian/Droidian are targeted for smartphone SoCs, so they would take a lot of tinkering to get runnin on an RPi

If you want a full OS that’s already configured to be a smartphone-like device, something like Glodroid may be your best bet. They’re an infrequent updater, the only reason I mention them is because they can target Broadcom devices (like RPis)

If you don’t mind getting away from building the hardware yourself, and just want a phone that you can run linux on, FairPhone/PinePhone/Librem 5 seem to be the way to go

Aside from that, afaict you’re in for designing your own device from extant components and then crowd-funding to pay for a factory line to assemble it for you (this is essentially what the PinePhone did)

realistically how feasible is it going to be to have something be completely free of it?

It’ll be feasible if we encourage a culture of not using it. It doesn’t have to be the main mode of development — and all the big names can keep their slop generators — but as long as there remains a demand for slop-less software, there will be people willing to make it happen.

There’s also the saying “don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good”: besides the fact that I don’t trust slop-coders to put in any more effort into architecture/security/performance than they do actually learning the languages and writing the code, I also hate that they are willing to fund giant data centers that deplete local reservoirs and cause blackouts for small communities. In this case, I don’t care if it’s “no ai at all” or “no ai as much as is practical,” because both are still better than “full steam ahead.”

There’s probably a better way, but the way that works for me is apt show <package> and then copying everything from the Recommended section into an apt install command

Edit: people in forums are suggesting the simpler apt install --reinstall --install-recommends <pkg>.

I find this preferable because it means the recommended packages get marked as auto, which means an uninstall will automatically remove them.

On the other hand, it forces a redownload and install of <package> which might be unwanted. If you want the best of both worlds, you’re going to have to manually install the recommended packages, then also manually apt-mark auto <list of packages>—although that might make them immediately susceptible to an autoremove, so this might require some tweaking; I’ll work it out when I have time.

If you want to always install recommended packages, add APT::Install-Recommends "1"; to your apt.conf (which just includes the --install-recommends option by default, behind the scenes)

As a rule I don’t tell people to RTFM, because it has some rude dismissive connotations, although I will share when it helps me solve a problem I’ve been butting up against that would’ve been solved if I had just read the docs.

That being said, I do encourage people to read the docs, as others’ walkthroughs can be misinformational, and are usually tied to specific setups or software and hardware versions. It requires learning how to wade through a lot of information to find the info you need, but the info is usually guaranteed to be the most current and reliable.

That all being said, I’m more than happy to help when people want it.

I would guess that most Android ROMs are OEM ones that are not degoogled (and have the added spyware of Cellular Service Providers or phone brands), I’m not familiar enough with AOSP Stock Images to make a judgment on those, and the rest that I know of—which are actively maintained and have been around long enough brand-recognition that I trust them to be non-glitchy and spyware free—comprise the above list.

If you got more suggestions, I will gladly add them to the list though.

Ubuntu reports that nearly everything except VoLTE works on the Fairphone 4 and 5

Oh snap, so is that UBPorts? I’m not sure how to classify that tbh, I might need a 3rd category that’s Linux Phone OSes that work on Android-focused phones. Actually, just looking at it rn and it looks like PostMarket claims to support over 700 devices…

Is keeping time one of the services you provide, or do you just get bent out of shape if people don’t respond to you immediately?

No thankss, I got tired of being surrounded by people like you

De-googled Android ROMs:

• GrapheneOS
• LineageOS
• /e/ OS
• Volla OS

Linux OSes that (allegedly) work on Android hardware (please suggest additions):

• UBPorts
• PostMarketOS

Non-android, non-apple smartphones:

• Pinephone
• Pinephone pro
• Librem 5
• Volla Phone 22
• Jolla Phone
• FuriPhone FLX1s

And pretty much every feature phone out there (way too many to list)

If my responses are as stimulating to you as yours are to me, why tf do you keep responding?

Thank you for proving my point

So there are words I can say that get you to immediately stop listening to anything else I say and make broad assumptions about me and my beliefs?

Talk about being trained

Picking apart the single definition used by one entity doesn’t mean the term itself is completely meaningless.

But fine, I’ll bite, just for fun:

the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo

That’s every country

That’s “whataboutism.” Or alternatively, it’s “authoritarian realism”—a term I just made up which refers to any view that assumes a nation has to centralize powers to exist because that’s how the world under capitalism currently operates.

Reductions from what? The USSR was an increase in all of those things from Tsarist Russia.

So 1. You just gave a counterexample to your first point, and 2. I guess the metric depends on who you ask. It could be reductions from a historical state (as we could say of e.g. the current USA compared to North America’s political systems prior to european colonization), or compared to some standard of liberty (e.g. your use of USSR).

I can agree with your first point and still posit that the term is meaningful: e.g. authoritarianism isn’t a binary state of extistence, but rather a spectrum that different states can be compared on; all states can be authoritarian to some degree, but some states are more or less authoritarian than others.

Or to put it another way, saying “authoritarianism” is meaningless because all states exercise authority is like saying “conservativism” is meaningless because all living creatures seek to conserve resources (to some degree).

I agree that language is an imperfect map for the real world we inhabit—and I especially agree that the language (as with any social tool) gets abused to manipulate people—but I don’t agree that those facts make the terms completely useless in communication.

In most instances, “authoritarianism” is a more rigidly defined term than simply meaning “exercises authority.”

E.g. Wikipedia defines it as

a political system characterized by the rejection of political plurality, the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in democracy, separation of powers, civil liberties, and the rule of law.

This article was more constructive (suggesting alternatives) than destructive (leveraging critiques), but it did link to several critiques/vulnerabilities with OpenPGP.

Unfortunately, half are about implementation issues (granted, it’s made more difficult to implement something correctly when it’s as convoluted and all-encompassing as PGP)—which are hopefully not applicable to Delta due to their 3rd party, applied cryptography audit—and the rest are obsolesced by the 2024 updates to the standard—RFC 9580, the so-called “crypto-refresh.”

Do you have any critiques that address the current state of the PGP protocol’s security?

I couldn’t find any criticiques of OpenPGP aside from LibrePGP’s. Do you have sources I could look into?