Lol. So your substantive claim is irrelevant to the topic, which was whether voting for Democrats is worth it. You’re trying to pivot to criticizing their electoral strategy because you’re terrified to admit that Democrats are far superior to Republicans in incredibly meaningful ways for people all over the world.

The only people making a fuss about electoral strategy are dumbasses who can’t understand or care about actual policy, they are only concerned with what shows up on their feed and the vibes they get. Brainrotted consumers at the end of a pipeline who advocate for nothing because their vapid world-view precludes any real understanding.

Bro, that’s all you’ve been doing this entire time, that’s why I said you’re projecting, it’s so blatant. Every time you bring up anything close to a substantive claim it’s weak af and easily dismissed. You have nothing.

Insane projections from the peanut gallery

You’re grasping at straws and pointing to nothing specific. What is your problem with the PRO act and how does it warrant this rediculous both sides attitude?

I’ve listed Biden’s many achievements several times in this thread and none of the slopulists have been able to dispute them.

Thinking a party majority is the end of the story is the most terminally online take ever. That’s not how representative democracy works.

So are you a dog walker professionally or is this just a hobby?

Nice cherry pick, followed by bullshit. Also are you trying to say “tongue”, but in an English as a second language kind of way? Kinda sus.

Now, you say “killed”, but that’s not true because it still exists at its previous level. Biden just boosted it during covid, plus democrats tried to continue it but were a single vote short. Just another example of Dems trying, and Republicans wasting oxygen.

Either way the point still stands, Biden was the most pro-worker president I’ve ever seen, and the piss babies that disagree are just mad because they don’t know shit about politics, or democracy, or anything really.

I do get a sense that English isn’t his first language, but yea, he’s like a fire hose of divisive blackpill rhetoric.

I don’t even think the ml’s would think it’s impressive enough to brigade, because as sloppy as they are, their talking points are usually more specific then this blind assertion and a laundry list of buzzwords.

Brah, Biden was out their saving pension funds, capping healthcare costs for diabetics, strengthening Medicare, and conditioning grant funding on providing good working conditions, wages, and affordable child care. He spent trillions and put worker protections and benefits into everything he passed.

The guy was the most pro-worker US president I’ve ever seen.

I actually don’t think you can keep going tbh, because it really looks like you scraped the barrel for every grievance and buzzword you have. Plus you mentioned Wall Street reform and bank bailouts separately, which seems like padding. Half of them prove my point because the Republicans are to blame.

As for Gaza, I think you are a disgusting person for bringing it up in this conversation considering how many Palestinians would likely still be alive if Harris had won. Imagine trying to both sides with that issue of all things.

And as far as I’m concerne, nobody needs to “rat fuck” progressives because they are perfectly capable of eating themselves at every opportunity.

You’re right, they’ve actually been succeeding, good catch. Biden’s infrastructure bill was insane, and capping drug costs for seniors and diabetics? What a chad. Strengthening Medicare, conditioning grant funding to companies on whether they provide affordable childcare to employees, raising the child tax credit, bailing out pension funds, I mean god damn, check out his climate policy https://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/ira-charts-a-path-that-is-both-pro-climate-and-pro-worker/

The man was pro-labour af at every opportunity and passed a shit load of legislation worth trillions. Greatest president in living memory.

I have no idea what you are talking about. You know you exist in an echo chamber right? That the little memes and private language you guys circle jerk each other with doesn’t make sense here in the outside world?

Are you talking about the ACA or something else? Because the ACA originally contained a public option, that was the Democrat plan. That’s awesome, pity none of the Republicans voted for it because they hate Obama for being black. But please, keep telling me now both parties are the same.

First of all, they don’t betray the left on 99% of issues, it’s just that populist leftists consider anything less than maximal alignment “betrayal”.

Second, Trump’s support is plummeting thanks to his disastrous administration, Democrats are poised to sweep the midterms, and it’s a safe bet the next 2 years will be even worse and result in a win in 2028. The slopulist voting block can shove it tbh, they aren’t needed.

Uh. Yea? I’ll take the broken limbs. Problem?

Sure, if you only care about tankie horseshoe brainrot like leaving NATO or dismantling capitalism. Meanwhile the Democrats have been trying to pass meaningful healthcare reforms for decades and have been stopped at every turn by Republicans. They fight for social safety nets, strong regulations that protect consumers and the environment, and manage it all while not blowing up the economy like every Republican ever that takes the polar opposite positions. So what fringe policies do you care about that warrant both sides’ing these parties? Because on every single issue I care about the Democrats are unimaginably better then the Republicans.

I totally agree, they should stop alienating the majority of voters by trying to appeal to radicals that actively smear the party.

Online lefty humor is just like right wing humor, they take an issue, frame it as absurd, then appeal to “common sense” so their ingroup can laugh at the outgroup.

It’s the horseshoe theory of bad comedy.

That’s awesome. I mean that article is trash, but at least it’s relevant. It’s about a completely different bill (HR 1157) than the one linked above (HR 7476), but that’s okay, for now we can chalk it up to platform9469’s mistake rather than malicious intent. The latter will be evident after reading the bill, which is only a few pages long.

It’s sad, and quite telling, that you felt the need to link an op-ed rather than the bill itself, but we can use it as an opportunity to teach some media literacy.

From the trash op-ed:

This legislation authorizes more than $1.6 billion for the State Department and USAID over the next five years to, among other purposes, subsidize media and civil society sources around the world that counter Chinese “malign influence” globally.

What other purposes? Activities financed by the bill are detailed in section 2.e in 7 parts, including the “influence campaign”, anti-corruption and anti-crime initiatives, security services(?), and economic development including offering alternative financial assistance for key infrastructure projects.

There’s a lot on that list that will cost a lot more than posting shit on social media. Calling it an “influence campaign” hardly does it justice, this is a wholistic expression of a countries soft power into regions that will benefit from it. That $1.6 billion will go towards more than any terminally online ml has ever imagined.

Speaking of money, let’s see what this opinion slop you posted says about that:

That’s a massive spend — about twice, for example, the annual operating expenditure of CNN.

Well now, that’s just a straight up lie. CNN doesn’t even share it’s expenses because it’s a subsidiary of WB which groups CNN with other networks they own together in their expense reports, so idk how this Harvard genius figured it out. Estimates I’ve seen floating around put their annual expenditure at 1.2 billion. This bill allocates $325 million per year. We don’t even know what this clown thinks the real CNN number is because he doesn’t bother providing one.

He vaguely gestures towards the GEC and USAID so he can frame things as extra bad while saying basically nothing. He’s probably happy that Trump deleted the GEC and USAID a few months later.

The slop slinger then brings up a “vision document”, which as far as I can tell is like fan-fiction for military people, as an example of what this could all look like. A horrible story of honest Chinese capitalists being astroturfed and robbed of their business opportunities. It’s a pity none of the language in the bill describes anything like this. Instead of tearing down the ops, the bill details providing alternative options for a wide range of things to whatever organisations need them so they don’t need to rely on Chinese support.

He ends with something I thought was pretty funny, contemplating the potential for what he imagines the plan is to backfire by eroding trust in anti-china information by virtue of people being aware that the US has an interest in spreading it. Ignoring the fact that China does the exact same thing and we have multiple instances of ml’s, plus myriad other leftist slopulists, who eat that shit up without a thought.

So yea, it didn’t take you much effort to dig up some rando headline with a vestigial op-ed attached to it, but it didn’t get you anywhere. You actually have to read shit and understand it, not just blindly follow every contrarian sock with a world-view throwing headlines at you.

See now that’s a lie, because you implied that guy knows his politics, which is a positive claim that turns on the authenticity of his claim. Now you’re running away from it because it’s increasingly clear he doesn’t know shit and you look like a sock for defending him.

Maybe you should change your original comment to “spreading lies about politics means you’re paid to do so” which isn’t really what I said either, but would at least be close enough to avoid looking completely illiterate.

I couldn’t say how it works because public health insurance is basically invisible when you’re using it. When I see the hospital it’s for them to assess when I should be booked into surgery.

I have a hernia affecting my upper gi. Negative symptoms are easily treatable with medication, however over a long time (like 10+ years) it may cause other issues in the surrounding area, some that could be precursors to cancer, disease, etc.

That’s all I know tbh, I haven’t really cared enough about it to find out what the deal is. Maybe they have a quota for how many of these types of surgeries they can perform in a year based on their budget, and more life threatening stuff eats away from that quota. This would make sense as to why they aren’t able to give me a timeframe until I’m high enough on the waiting list that more serious injuries aren’t likely to push me back.

Aus.

I’m waiting for minor surgery. Basically every 6 months or so they make me come to the hospital to talk to a nurse or doctor or whatever, it’s pretty pointless. Ends with them saying “yep you need surgery” then I go back to waiting. No idea when I’ll actually get it done, should be any year now.

If I got private insurance I’d have to wait a year before cashing out, so I’m fine not paying anything and waiting a bit longer. If I had known I’d be waiting as long as I have I might have opted for private, but there isn’t any solid timeline given for waiting times.

Everything outside of that is quick and easy. Go to gp, get referral, see specialist. No roadblocks at all, but the specialists likely cost a couple hundred bucks. Medication is pretty cheap, usually $10-20 for a month’s supply of anything you need.

That’s so true almighty knower of politics. Please show me where your knowledge comes from in the above link. You’ll find the document is organised into many numbered and lettered sections, so just let me know which section supports this guys unfounded assertion about a $1.6 billion budget for an “influence campaign”.