“but north korea is homophobic” “but china has misogyny” “but the ussr had racism” maybe, but they dont have a multi billion dollar system to control the population’s opinion to hateful rhetoric. china will never have a jeffrey eipstein billionaire who will ever have the ability to meet up with some people and set a ginormous psyop for alt-right views.

those states have never had bigotry as clear goals, they were only blindspots. meanwhile, capitalist countries have always had bigotry as goals. they have it out for muslims, black people, refugees, asian people etc. it was a capitalist state that gave us the definition of “genocide”. israel is dead set on ending the palestinian people and has that as a clear goal.

that whole “they killed people because they thought it was WESTERN DECADENCE” bullshit ended when those socialist states were not actively being genocided by the west and they saw that even without western intervention, diverse sexual identities are just a part of human nature. a lot of these countries had diverse views of sexuality and gender before periods of western imperialism that imposed strict moral puritanism.

also, they always think of LGBT people in the abstract and not as human beings who have material needs. when kim jong un builds free houses you think “but he will execute gays”, how many gay people were/are saved from homelessness and starvation by socialist countries’ policies? how many gay people got to be engineers, scientists? how many gay people were saved from nazi germany because the USSR put an end to them building death camps all over europe?

when you hear capitalist states mention their LGBT rights do you not think of the material needs of those people? the united states might have gay marriage on paper but they dont have free, secure housing and thousands of gay people (as well as other minorities) perish to those conditions.

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    Cuba is possibly the best proof of internal contradictions like bigotry against LGBTQ being better solved under socialism. They went from a horribly bigoted society to having the most progressive family law in the world, all within a couple generations.

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      I think a lot of early socialist states were homophobic because they were growing out of capitalism and previous systems that relied on religious and social comformity to preserve power structures.

      When those power structures dissolve, so does the homophobia because it isn’t intrinsic to the system

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        I’ll point out that many Cubans are deeply religious, whether Christianity or santería, or Vodouan or what have you. They just generally speaking, don’t let religion eclipse their humanity.

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    Under capitalism, bigotry is necessary to preserve the hierarchy and social order by dividing the masses. Under socialism, bigotry is a relic of a bygone age, ready to be extinguished. I agree, I would much rather be called a chinese or Vietnamese equivalent for the transphobic slur rather than wait 2 years for a bottom surgery appointment in the west.

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      Yeah, agreed.

      Also, as a Latina that almost was killed by a white supremacist and especially as time has gone on since then, it seems that bigotry and ethnic or racial hatred (and other forms of hatred, mind you) are basically one of many “rules” in the capitalist order.

      And one of many such “hidden rules” at that.

      You are gaslit for even so much as thinking it’s systemic.

      But under socialism, it is not only acknowledged but actively combatted.

      You are not lied to.

      You are informed.