• FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    What really makes me chuckle is whenever someone tries to insist to me that Mexican men are chauvinists, and I have to remind them that not only did they elect a woman, but they elected a woman who is doing FDR shit and actually making people’s lives better.

    I’m jealous. The closest we got was Bernie and both parties swift-boated him.

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      4 days ago

      They are horribly chauvinistic.

      Let’s play a game. The US elected Obama so they are not racist riiight?

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        4 days ago

        Did more white people voted for Obama too? Because in Mexico, more men voted her than women did, relatively speaking. Also, our first black president was elected like 200 years ago.

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        4 days ago

        Agreed. And with sexism, the link is even weaker.

        America is only 15% black so it at least suggests that a good chunk of the other 85% were not too racist to elect Obama.

        But humanity is 52% women so in theory, women could elect a woman even if every man in the country was in fact chauvinist.

      • desertdruid@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        4 days ago

        Correct, the major reason she won the elections is because she was supported by her predecessor. (There was another female candidate too!)

        We can’t ignore that since AMLO was in power he started a daily televised show that acts as state propaganda and one of his missions was to “continue the 4th transformation” as in “you need to vote for my party no matter who it is”.

        (US citizens will relate to the propaganda right now with the White House putting up press conferences almost daily to convince people that they are winning while trying to police which press is ‘good’ and which is ‘bad’)

        You can see the chauvinism in some of the criticisms coming to Claudia, I don’t agree with any of that misogynist bullshit but a lot of people are angry with her and the only thing they can say is “we won’t have another female president”.

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          Lol, yeah, like 70% approval rate, but I see your point. 30M people out of 100M voters are angry with her, I guess. I mean, they are a lot.

      • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
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        4 days ago

        I see the point you’re getting at, but this is too big of a debate for Saturday morning. :)

        Have a great day.

        • WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca
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          4 days ago

          Ladies and gentlemen, white US liberals when confronted with their shitty conservative positions. Saving this- it’s a such a perfect encapsulation.

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            4 days ago

            Landed and gentlemen, the troll who literally never makes a comment on this platform other than to try and demoralize a doomed society of millions of people. Torturing people like this is clearly all you ever think about. It’s pathetic and you desperately need mental help.

          • bearboiblake [he/him]@pawb.social
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            4 days ago

            Come on, now, be fair, I love dunking on liberals as much as the next leftist, but “Mexican men aren’t chauvinists” is hardly a conservative position, as leftists aren’t we supposed to make the argument that no people are a monolith?

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                chauvinism, excessive and unreasonable patriotism, similar to jingoism. The word is derived from the name of Nicolas Chauvin, a French soldier who, satisfied with the reward of military honours and a small pension, retained a simpleminded devotion to Napoleon. Chauvin came to typify the cult of the glorification of all things military that was popular after 1815 among the veterans of Napoleon’s armies. Later, chauvinism came to mean any kind of ultranationalism and was used generally to connote an undue partiality or attachment to a group or place to which one belongs. The term chauvinism also may describe an attitude of superiority toward members of the opposite sex, as in male chauvinism. Some animal-rights advocates have used the term to indicate a similar attitude on the part of human beings toward other species, as in “species chauvinism.”

                According to this definition from Britannica, men, women, trans people, etc can also be chauvinist. Men can be male chauvinist, in that they think they are the “superior gender”. But that doesn’t exclude the concept of female chauvinism.

                • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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                  3 days ago

                  The concept of a “woman chauvinist” is irrelevant. It literally does not matter. What’s going to happen, are women going to take over society and force men into servitude? Stop them from leaving the house without an escort? Make them give up their careers? 🙄

                  In a society that was built by men, for men, men’s chauvinism is a problem and an unconscious bias they all carry with them from a very young age. There’s a lifetime of unlearning that men need to do to not be chauvinists. Any man who has gone through this process to rid themselves of their chauvinism has no problem with statements like “men are chauvinists” because they know it’s true.

            • WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca
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              4 days ago

              “You cant be a bigot if you have a [POC/LGBTQ/whatever else] friend” is certainly a hallmark of conservative discourse