Can’t use the word “buy” if you can’t actually buy the thing.

  • sadie_sorceress@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    4 days ago

    I understand the sentiment here and I am the kinda gamer that rarely buys games on release date and waits for deep discounts, but the “renting” it aspect of the argument seems pretty hyperbolic. I try to think of the value as entertainment hours per dollar. I usually only get a game if I think I’ll get at least 1 hour per dollar or two, and I bet I’d get at least that with this game at $80-100. I’ll probably still wait for a discount but I doubt they’ll be removing the rights to the game before you can get decent value out of it. Hell I bought GTA 5 on multiple consoles and still got my money’s worth.

      • sadie_sorceress@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        3 days ago

        How is that brainwashing? If I go to a 3 hour concert for $50 then I’m agreeing to spend about $15/hr of entertainment. If I’m okay spending $80 for 100 hours of entertainment in gta6 (assuming the game isn’t just trash) then I’m agreeing to spend about $1/hr of entertainment. Am I brainwashed for considering the value I’m getting with my money?

  • vane@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    4 days ago

    I wonder why nobody complained as much about Crimson Desert on ps5 that have physical release but it’s drm protected, so you can’t play from disk and you need day one patch from internet. This is bizarre to me. It was in March this year so corporations just moved forward in their agenda.

  • Stonewyvvern@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    4 days ago

    For the betterment of all gamers,

    For the enrichment of our hobby,

    For the expansion of the Indy Renaissance,

    Buy no AAA games from multimillion dollar companies.

  • magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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    4 days ago

    Even if you keep your machine offline, many discs have required updates included.

    Any one of them could brick your console.

    If its not running freedom respecting software and standard hardware, you probably didn’t own it anyways. (Unless you airgap everything and risk assess all new software with a test machine, like the feds.)

    • samus12345@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      4 days ago

      many discs have required updates included.

      Some do, most don’t. You can check here. I see this “physical media is unusable without an internet connection anyway” statement bandied about a lot and it’s simply not true.

  • lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.comEnglish
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    4 days ago

    I can’t justify spending $80 on a game I won’t own.

    I can’t justify spending $80 on a game I won’t sell.

    I can’t justify spending $80 on a game I won’t share with friends.

  • MasterOfProton@lemmy.zipEnglish
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    4 days ago

    I don’t like the GTA, but this “new Business” is bad for all…… The game no is launch in CD/BD and not is you own….

  • BigDiction@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    5 days ago

    GTA6 doesn’t even have a PC release date, correct? Just funny because of the publisher in the screenshot.

    Any word on Linux desktop support? Last time I played a Rockstar game was RDR2 on Win10 and somehow my cloud saves through their platform got corrupted.

    Open to trying it but wondering if the platform I have will even be an option.

  • GenericUsername@thelemmy.clubEnglish
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    5 days ago

    What I dont get about this is most game CDs today dont include the full games on them. We dont have CDs in existence to hold these games.

    • binux@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      5 days ago

      No CDs big enough, sure. Most modern consoles (like PlayStation and Xbox) use Blu-ray as their disc type for physical copies of games. Those can hold up to 100 GB for PlayStation 5 in particular.

      Regardless, even if the disc isn’t able to store enough data to hold any one game, it isn’t immediately a problem. For example, the physical copy for the PS4 version of Red Dead Redemption 2 came with two discs to hold all of the data. There are ways around any data capacity limitations more often than not for physical media.

      • piccolo@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        4 days ago

        The best part is a lot of games are bloated because discs are very slow in random seek, so they format the files to load in sequence and results in a lot of assets are duplicated.

      • kshade@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        5 days ago

        Why? You having a physical thing doesn’t make you own the product any more or less.

        Not saying you should buy the game. I’m not going to. But not because of physical media, it’s going to be the same old rubbish they’ve been peddling for over a decade, except even more focused on GTA Online.

        • dragonlover@lemmy.zipEnglish
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          4 days ago

          Except it does. Because owning a digital copy legally speaking means you own a licence to a software, but not the software. Physical discs / flash drive / cartridges are owned, licenses can be revoked and are not owned in the same sense.

          • huppakee@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            5 days ago

            A transferable licence on a hard copy definitely beats a non-transferable digital license for sure, but for any online game being able to play is obviously not only related to your local hardware and copy. We’re definitely going down a shitty road, but it’s not like we’re not already on it.

    • M137@lemmy.todayEnglish
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      4 days ago

      Pre-orders usually let you download the game data before the release date and time so you can play it instantly when it releases.

    • CaptPretentious@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      5 days ago

      So they signed up for that subscription right away! (I do believe if you pre-order your auto enroll for the subscription)

  • atopi@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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    5 days ago

    i cant justify spending 80 usd for a game when there are so many amazing games that are free or are under 5 usd

  • iocase@lemmy.zipEnglish
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    5 days ago

    This game is going to be nothing like past grand theft autos. All the people who made the prior games are gone, and now they write by focus group and committee… I think it’s probably going to suck.

      • iocase@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        5 days ago

        I would argue the reason modern media sucks so bad is because of min max writing by focus group in pursuit of a test-tube blockbuster. Any originality or risk taking is a no-go so you write for the lowest common denominator and do reboots and remakes. Brand new stuff has to happen using existing IPs that are already popular.

        It’s different from just being collaborative or testing ideas on your intended audience. It’s closer to how companies make dog food than the creative process for making good entertainment or art…

  • FrChazzz@lemmus.orgEnglish
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    5 days ago

    Saw an article a few weeks back that said something about how Rockstar was ensuring availability for the game. Availability? For a download?

    Also, why bother pre-ordering? The whole idea of pre-ordering is so that you can ensure you have the game when it comes out because there are limitations on supply meeting demand on the printing of a disc. Again, this is a download. Other than some artificially limited exclusives (which, again, are downloads and will probably be made available again at a later date) there is no reason to pre-order. Unless you want the game to just automatically install for you, I can’t think of a real reason for pre-ordering this. (Disclosure: I am old and I practically never download big games–not at launch anyway)

    • Pycorax@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      4 days ago

      Not sure if it’s the same where you live but where I live, there are high interest rate bank accounts that require a minimum spend per month. A pre-order could help you hit that maybe. I don’t know that’s the only thing that comes to mind. Plus if it’s on Steam, you could refund if it turns out bad anyways. If it’s not on Steam, however, welp.

    • mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      5 days ago

      If I were going to make an argument for pre-ordering digital games, the only one I can think of is basically that you can pre-download the game.

      Instead of waiting on a 300GB download when the game launches, you simply get a quick patch (probably a few KB in size) to actually activate the game files that you have already downloaded ahead of time. It means your wait is only a minute or two, instead of potentially hours (depending on your local internet speeds).

      Maybe if it allowed access to an open beta ahead of the official launch date. I’ve seen a few games do things like that, where the full game releases on {date}, but pre-orders can play the open beta starting like two weeks ahead of time. If it’s something like a competitive game where familiarity with the in-game systems will matter, having access to that beta could be valuable. Even if the systems get updated for the final launch, you’re simply reading patch notes and adjusting your play-style accordingly. But everyone who didn’t pre-order is starting from 0.

      That’s literally the only justification I can think of. Because yeah, the pre-order bonus content stuff is almost always artificially gated (it could just be available for everyone right from the start) and will almost certainly be made available to everyone at a later date anyways.

      • huppakee@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        5 days ago

        If I were going to make an argument for pre-ordering digital games, the only one I can think of is basically that you can pre-download the game

        Sure but that leaves no valid reason to pre-order a few months before launch, instead of a few days.

        • WoodScientist@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          4 days ago

          Sure but that leaves no valid reason to pre-order a few months before launch, instead of a few days.

          Ok, I got one! You’re in the process of declaring bankruptcy, your credit card is about to be revoked, and if you pre-order the game now, the cost will be included in the credit cards that get zeroed out. Even better, unlike a physical game, there’s nothing for the court to seize!

          A fringe benefit of digital games - they have no monetary value, therefore they can never be seized by courts to pay debts and fines! They’re bankruptcy and judgment proof!

          Or really, any scenario where you have the ability to pay now, won’t have the ability to pay later, but can still get some benefit from it in the future.

    • KaChilde@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      5 days ago

      Bro, you don’t get it.

      My preorder tells Rockstar that I am okay with them charging the most for the opportunity to rent the game from them while I pay them additional money for multiplayer. It also means that I can preload the game, because I have been conditioned to have 0 patience, and the thought of waiting to give Rockstar more of my time and money hurts me physically.

      Let me have this bro. Please. If I spend the equivalent of a weeks worth of groceries on a game that is going to essentially be the same game as the last game, I can finally feel something for a brief moment.

      • CaptPretentious@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        5 days ago

        Didn’t forget, on PlayStation if you download (even pre-orders) you can’t refund it!

        So if you buy it and download it now, you don’t have to deal with those pesky reviews.

    • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.caEnglish
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      5 days ago

      I also don’t understand what pre-ordering means nowadays. sometimes they offer you some sort of extra thing, which makes sense. but why would you preorder if you get literally nothing for it