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It’s been disappointing seeing all the so-called left of the US form the same sort of American supremacist cult of peesonality around Platner as did MAGA around Trump.
This never happened, there was never a cult movement anything close to Trump around Platner. People were just excited for a candidate who said the right things.
The fact that he’s being dropped so quickly now is proof contrary to your claim.
For democrats, Nazis are only bad when the conservatives have them.
Idiot.
Are you saying he is a good guy? or that it is unexpected that a nazi mercenary would be a bad person?
No. I’m saying you’re an idiot. You don’t understand anything about politics. Liberals hate Graham Platner for his politics, not his past.
He did get a few major endorsements, and was considered a serious candidate. Despite his policies, and despite having nazi tattoos.
Name a liberal that endorsed him.
Name anyone who endorsed him knowing he was a rapist.
Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Ro Khanna, Ruben Gallego, Ed Markey…
They were all cool with him being a Blackwater mercenary with Nazi tattoos. Now they have to backtrack because Nazis are cool, just as long as they don’t hurt a white woman. Because brown people’s lives are worth nothing compared to a white woman’s tears.
WHY DO LIBERALS KEEP JOINING ANTINEOLIBERAL /c/‽ WHO INVITED YOUR POPULIST ASS? GET OUT OF HERE IF YOU’RE NOT GOING TO THROW ALL 7 POPS OUT!
Abolish entryism
it’s great that everyone can try and get in.
but a mercenary with nazi tattoos should have been laughed out way before it even got any media attention.
I am blocking this horseshit.
you can leave
Blocked
oh, thank god.
Have you perhaps considered crying about it as well?
And nothing of value was lost.
Thanks for giving me a reason to block you too. Nothing of value indeed.
This is a goldmine for blockable idiots.
That was always an option
I blocked the person. Easy peasy.
making sure, if it annoys you, you have failed to block me.
I’m blocking everyone. Everyone is blocked. Fuck you, everyone.
I like you, not blocked. lol
Found the lib.
I write this guilt free because you should have blocked me as you said.
You really seem more interested in being derisive than actually solving problems.
I don’t think Maine is thoroughly class conscious enough to throw the entire race out, and pick themselves as the next Senate + Governorship. They are still playing populist FPtP.
Yeah idk the solution either, I just know being a prick to people isn’t helping.
I don’t live in Maine to be able to vanguard them an intersecting class. I am just aware their political literacy needs major improvements.
I ain’t trying to solve shite, this is just a “I told you so” to all the liberals who supported him. either because they thought a Blackwater merc with nazi tattoos was acceptable or because some lesser evil bs.
Hmmm weird that you also seem to be fine with that.
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Now this is neolib praxis in action👏
🤣🤣
Hur dur dur. Another block.
No need to be so gay about it💅
This is actually funny, but I doubt platner intentionally got a Nazi tattoo, or that it is a Nazi tattoo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_SS_Panzer_Division_Totenkopf
Maybe he didn’t know when he got it, but there is no fucking way he didn’t figure it out before he run and people pointed it.
And he had his whole life to get a free coverup (most tattoo parlours will do cover up of hate symbols for free) , or get it removed. Keeping it was a choice he made.
So toten Kampf represent 6-25k German troops. I was curious how obscure of a Nazi symbol it is.
I have a tattoo of my own design on my back and no one ask what it means (I might tell them it’s how life has origins in geochemistry), so I can believe that no one told him. I only know of that symbol because of platner.
Platner did cover up the tattoo and apologized for it … Which makes his response to rape allegations like an admission to rape to me
No. Aside from being in the insignia of that particular unit, the totenkopf was in much wider use in the SS, including as their universal cap badge. The SS totenkopf is a common nazi symbol.
doesn’t count, he covered it up after national outcry, not because he changed as a person.
every day in his life since he got it, he chose to keep it. there’s no excuse.
Ignorance would be an excuse an excuse
That is wilful ignorance.
Maybe on platner end. Buuuuut platner being a mercenary is pretty bad. Mercenaries are just never been seen as good people. The Geneva convention had to outlaw mercenaries starting wars for gain contracts
Also on every single person who supported him.
They tolerated his nazi tattoos and his merc career. And based on the conversations I had with them, they still tolerate that, and at best they draw the line at raping a white woman.
It is painfully sad that blue liberals only care if the Nazis are on the other team. And yes, they are liberals and not leftists. because a lefty would punch a nazi not vote for him
Several reports from people who knew him where he bragged about the tattoo and called it “his Totenkopf”.
Seriously, why are you bending over backwards for this guy? Every sign points to him being a piece of shit.
Your doubts are stupid
or that it is a Nazi tattoo.
I’m so looking forward to never hearing this bullshit talking point ever again. I swear, you guys have to be bots, there’s absolutely no way a human being could look at the tattoo and the symbol side-by-side and have any doubt about it whatsoever.
Here is the tattoo:
Here is a totenkopf copy-pasted onto the same spot:
See how every detail matches exactly perfectly? So obviously you’re lying, and you probably know you’re lying. Why?
Yeah did research that tattoo existed and was used before members of the Nazis party used it. So that means that that tattoo can have meaning outside of a Nazi context, the Christian cross isn’t just Catholic (if that makes sense).
Again platner covered it up
You can call it Nazi tattoo. It really doesn’t matter to me mostly because I’m not in Maine
Yeah did research that tattoo existed and was used before members of the Nazis party used it.
The same is true of the fucking swastika.
Again platner covered it up
Irrelevant. “I doubt that it actually is a Nazi tattoo.” You set the goalposts there. You could have left it at, “He probably didn’t know what it was and covered it up when he found out,” but you had to take it further and try to deny that it was ever a Nazi tattoo in the first place, which is obviously and objectively a lie.
You can call it Nazi tattoo. It really doesn’t matter to me mostly because I’m not in Maine
Which further begs the question of why you would lie about this if you’re not even invested. Do you often lie on behalf of people with Nazi tattoos?
Actually swastika you’re thinking of is probably the manji is mirrored but if you think they’re the same then you know that the swastika has different meaning outside of the western world which boosters my point at the expense of yours.
It’s actually relevant because platner shows that he can and does Change and that platner is willing to fix the mistakes he’s made.
Good chunk of Lemmy users want people to wallow in shame over sins. Like we are never get over the fact that we might have returned a video back to block buster.
It’s actually relevant because platner shows that he can and does Change and that platner is willing to fix the mistakes he’s made.
Jesus Christ, do y’all have an actual script you all read from? Every. Single. Time. “It’s not a Nazi symbol” transforms into “Yes, it’s a Nazi symbol, but that’s actually fine because blah blah blah.”
Stop moving the goalposts. You said you doubted that it was a Nazi symbol at all. Now, you’re acting like it’s a given that it’s a Nazi symbol but that it doesn’t matter. So then, why did you lie? Why did you try to deny an obvious fact if that fact doesn’t matter?
This is, of course, ignoring the fact that your talking points are out of date. Platner raped someone and lied about it. So no, he did not “prove he’s capable of change.” The only thing that was proven is either how gullible you are, or how willing you are to excuse red flags and horrible behavior from politicians the moment they say, “I’m sorry.”
Good chunk of Lemmy users want people to wallow in shame over sins. Like we are never get over the fact that we might have returned a video back to block buster.
I fucking hate this liberal bullshit so much. “Returning a video to Blockbuster?” We’re talking about a rapist killer-for-hire with a Nazi tattoo. It’s absolutely disgusting for you to minimize that with that comparison, and if you’re trying to present yourself as even remotely progressive while saying shit like that, it’s doubly disgusting.
Newsflash, dipshit! He just dropped out of the race because it came out that he’s a rapist! This whole mentality that you’re describing was just clearly and unambiguously proven wrong. And I’m not trying to rub your face in it, because anybody can make a mistake, but if you’re still trying to double down and defend this rapist Nazi mercenary, then I’m sorry, but you clearly need your face rubbed into your mistake.
Sorry symbols have different meanings depending on what part of the world you go to. I do encourage you to learn from other cultures and take the best parts from them and spread them.
Idk if platner lied about raping, but we can talk about that if we are done with Nazi symbols and the tattoo. I like to keep things simple instead of random accusations and subject changes.
Yeah not returning a video to never getting blockbuster is an illustration how petty y’all can get. It’s not meant to relate to platner is more about you and the chunk of mentally ill Lemmy users.
What you lack in understanding you make up in misguided passion 😙
I’m gonna be real, it was obvious this guy had problems… like we can be happy he’s making leftist viewpoints mainstream, and acknowledge that he has serious issues, and know that it’s good for people to change their views over time, and recognize that the most recent allegations were timed very “conveniently”. We don’t have to just pick one.
The timing a rape survivor chooses to go public, or to seek charges could be due to a million reasons. Maybe they have been in a mental health crisis, and couldn’t cope with it previously. Or maybe, as she claims, she felt like the stakes were simply too high to stay silent now he was getting into federal politics. Or maybe some bad actor paid her enough to make it worth going public. We might never know for sure. Maybe it was a mix of all three. Maybe she (understandably) just wanted maximum retribution.
But what we do know for sure is that, whatever the reason for the timing, the guy was, and is, a sack of shit who should never have been stood up as a candidate in the first place.
It was fascinating watching people excuse him when they would never do that for most people. Not really sure why this is the hill they decided not to die on
What a shitshow. This thread, I mean.
Yes, the guy was a proven nazi.
Yes, the woman has made many bad life choices.
Yes, the progressist white knights are a bunch of hypocrites putting the woman’s life above the poor innocent brown people the guy had killed.
Yes, in numbers genocide is worse than one life’s traumatic experience.
But, no, man. It’s fucking disingenuous putting both in the balance against each other.
That r*** triggers a lot more than one person because it is a symbol of patriarchal oppression.
Antagonizing the (liberal) feminists in this matter alienates people we should’ve trying to gain for our cause.
The majority made minority of brown people needs helping hands instead of generic admonitioning.
Engels would’ve been disappointed, OP.
we’re trying to recruit liberals? rainbow capitalists? into marxism? kay
How else are communists supposed to do anything if they don’t reach out to the working class?
My dude, we all were born as liberals because like the bearded one said “in every epoch, the ruling ideas are the ideas of the ruling class.”
in order to have a popular uprising of the people you have to educate the people. we don’t have to exhaust ourselves recruiting unrepentant assholes, but we do have to teach well-meaning people where their actions are falling short if we’re to have any hope of getting out of this
Here’s a synthesis: vote planter because he’s an unhinged impulsive inconsiderate violent asshole who doesn’t consider others and can’t or won’t stop hurting everyone around him
Don’t you want the people around him to be congressmen? I think hoping for a congressional tpk is a bit much, but he might get one or two, and I think that’s worth your vote.
Well let’s get more of the usual types then, let’s not try to step outside the mold and adapt. Let’s only ever run milquetoast neoliberals who want to tow the party line, that’ll show them damn libs.
I stg. At that point, why not just be a Republican? You’re already willing to look past rape and murder and Nazi symbolism for the sake of getting one over on those neoliberal establishment Democrats, right? Where’s the fucking line, then?
Or maybe, instead of becoming indistinguishable from the right, we can try to build a political movement that actually holds itself to some kind of extremely basic standards, that doesn’t just devolve into team sports where you look past all of “your guy’s” flaws.
What fucking monkey paw wish is that.
“I don’t want milquetoast neoliberals”
gets a rapist nazi mercenary
It is fine that anyone can run, but he should have been laughed the moment anyone asked what did he do for a living, or what is that Tattoo. And never get even close to the news. Besides a local Maine headline “Maine nazi tries to run for dems, gets shamed out.”
Yet he got endorsements from Warren and Sanders and others.
If only there was some sort of middle ground between geriatric neoliberals and Nazi rapists…
The primary for this race sucked, it was this fucking guy vs a 78 year old…
Even if this turns into a milquetoast-off, some other races look better. More progressive candidates might make it to MI Senate, WI Governor, and a bunch of House races.
It’s kind of embarrassing just how easy it is to take down a promising leftist or progressive candidate these days. I mean, piss easy. Gone are the days where you had to orchestrate plane crashes or car accidents.
All you need is a time machine and a mind control device to go back and make them to kill people for money, commit rape, and get a Nazi tattoo. It’s that easy.
Okay but in aggregate those are value adds. What are the odds he snaps on a co worker? Don’t you want to see that on cspan? Dude’s impulsive and violent.
Imagine being that stupid that you vote a literal nazi mercenary because you believe he is violent and dangerous?
And I thought MAGA voters were dumb.
The actual person on the room sucking oil out of Bob Exxon’s dick doesn’t matter for policy. Best I can hope for is someone violently unstable who will do workplace violence.
Also,they’re mostly Nazis already.
among all zero reason for voting for a nazi, this one is by far the dumbest
The system can only do Nazi shit. Tried voting for. Non Nazis. They were ratfucked in primaries, not allowed to take office, or turned around and did the same old Nazi shit but more eloquently. You keep telling me not voting is choosing repression. Imtelling you I choose statistically likely revenge.
“lefty progressive”
He was a Blackwater merc, with a nazi tattoo, who reminisced about killing brown people, and kept his tattoo until national outrage.
he was a Nazi, leftist punch Nazis, not vote for them.
That entire album goes so hard.
Introduced him to my daughters (6&9 at the time), they love him, the youngest said he is the most handsome man in the world.
My son loves Bob Vylan, too. Gotta start ‘em young haha
I appreciate the UK for making all that Glastonbury drama, that is how I heard about him
Bob Vylan and Kneecap got such a good boost from the government trying to silence them haha
Love them both, the kneecap movie has absolutely no right being so good.
People can, and should be allowed to change for the better. People often change their minds on things once they get more information and/or have time to sit with it. We should expect our politicians to do the same, and giving regular people that’ve made honest mistakes but are committed to changing for the better an honest shot is admirable.
It just so happens that in this particular case, way too many chances were given and no honest attempt to change was made.
That is 100% bullshit. and you know why?
If at any point in his life, he regretted his Nazi tattoo, then most tattoo places offer cover up of Nazi tattoos for free. He was a mercenary, he could afford laser treatment. There is absolutely zero justification for him going into politics with said tattoo. And in interviews he reminisced about being a mercenary.
People can change. but he didn’t. And using ‘people can change’ regarding people with nazi tattoos is some gaslighting bullshit.
This one came into my bloc🛜
I guess once you support a nazi you gotta go down with the ship
Yeah, he double downed!
Can’t wait until real ❝Americans❞ compost’im.
they psyop is strong with this one
No liberal lefty cunt is gonna tell me punching Nazis ain’t the way
the only psyop, is whatever is going on trying to convince me to allow more nazis in the government
It was always a little sus this guy was so prominent on these forums. If you put hope in him you are crushed I think that is by design.
I didn’t really buy it, but learning how impulsively violent and rapey he is, I really want him in a locked room full of congressmen.
The more impulsively violently irresponsible and willing to hurt others he is, the more I want him in a room full of congressmen.
Platner for whatever he’s running for; electoralism of the deed.
Congress is already saturated with war criminals
I just hope he snaps on them.
You really think a nazi mercenary is going to suddenly become a conscious man and be good?
He is one of them.
I think he’s a violent unpredictable thug who’s going to hurt the people around him, does so pretty regularly. I’m sure its more complex than that, but it looks like its also that.
And I would like him to be in rooms where he is around the worst people. I don’t care about his politics. Those don’t matter. The system cannot be fixed, but this is a fun new problem it can have.
I really hope this is a joke, otherwise this is the dumbest shit I have ever heard. Like dumber than MAGA voters.
Does this imply there are good guy mercenaries?
More like a cumulative human shittyness.
However bad a nazi is, and however bad a mercenary is, he was both combined.
