Just for kicks I’ll throw in my unpopular opinion: “If you have to use 1st gear then you don’t know how to drive manual”
Probably still use the clutch though right rookie?
This one depends a lot on the gearing. Most cars you can start in 2nd gear but there are some where it kinda falls apart
A Hyundai Excel can start in 5th. You shouldn’t, it’s bad, but it works.
My old car suddenly lost first gear one day (seriously it was fine when I parked it one evening and from the next morning on it simply wouldn’t shift into 1st, super weird and out of nowhere). Thankfully that car actually had decent lowend for an economy-box and I was able to daily it like that for another year or so. I can tell you now though that it would’ve been much tougher to deal with that had it happened to my current ride.
That gets trough technical? Or are you in a country where they don’t do that?
The second one
Call me the car whisperer, then! 😅
If you’ve only ever operated fuel-injected vehicles then you don’t really know how to start a car
Thumps pedal three times, turns key with 10% throttle
If you think shifting gears is an important part of driving you are, most likely, a shitty driver. I put as much attention on the stick as I put on my pinky toe when I’m walking, I do use it but my attention is in not tripping with any obstacle, not bumping into someone, not stepping on a dog shit… I barely notice what I do with them unless something’s wrong, the toe’s hurting or the transmission acting up.
Driving manual isn’t that special, over here in Europe everybody do it, literal children, grandmas over a hundred years old, people with mental disabilities…
I think that manual transmissions still have some advantages in some cases, but I have an automatic since half a year ago (my only prior experience was one week in the States with a rented car) and I prefer it, the same car in manual was also available and it was cheaper. Zero regrets. After a hard day of work, not having to do leg series with the clutch in the traffic jams is just objectively better.
I never drove a vehicle with automatic transmission, so I’d like struggle with it until I could finally make sense of how it works… But when it comes to manual transmission, every vehicle I once drove and am currently driving had/have manual transmission, with some brands having different ways to actuate the backward movement.
Also, besides two cars I once rented, practically all the vehicles I’m experienced at are old (before 2010, including having driven a very old VW Beetle sometimes). The two, “modern” cars I rented (Renault Kwid and Citroen C3) were awful to me, even though I’m quite young and accustomed to tech, those cars felt more like toys than actual cars (clutch isn’t connected to the transmission and accelerator/gas isn’t connected to the carburetor , pedals felt like a frickin joystick, car’s starting engine isn’t connected to the key system like in old cars, panel looks like a damn Christmas tree with all the blinking LEDs, every command is “decided” by the embedded computer).
Given how I’m totally unaware of how exactly an automatic transmission vehicle is supposed to be operated, am I also someone who “can’t drive, only suggest/point a car”?
Your view is outdated, and will increasingly become entirely irrelevant as electric and hybrid vehicles continue to vastly outpace ICE production, if only because it entirely eliminates this silly elitism.
And a lot of the fun.
Sure pedal vroom (silently) go fast, but that wears out so quickly. The coordination to perfectly rev match, or pick the right gear is just so much fun. If Toyota actually brings that manual EV transmission to market then I’m in. But it needs the mechanical element to it.
You kids and your horseless carriages
Not an unpopular opinion, just gatekeeping.
yup. have driven rx7’s and vw bugs, it takes a certain set of skills but it’s nothing to be insulting about.
good luck with your clutch replacement dudes lol
Up voted because it’s definitely against my opinion.
I can drive manual, have done for over twenty years. I now own an EV which doesn’t have “gears”. It’s just a single clean line from standstill to top speed, no shifting necessary, manual nor automatic. Just press the gas and it goes.
I’m still driving. And I know how to drive manual, as I mentioned.
I’m just using other means now:
- press pedal to go forward
- release pedal to go slower/brake (*)
- press buttons to (de)activate cruise control (CC)
- press buttons to adjust CC speed
- press buttons to adjust CC front car distance
- keep track of CC deactivating if at a standstill for too long
- keep track of CC not being able to activate until over 16 km/h
- remember that using brake pedal deactivates CC so it needs to reactivate or you need to take control of the throttle manually
- button to reactivate CC at old speed rather than setting new speed
- button to activate CC at new speed rather than old speed after deactivation, if desired
- button to switch between CC lane keeping assist and manual steering
(*): this is actually harder and requires more feeling and control, because you’re not really brute-force braking as with the brake pedal — it’s more akin to motor braking with a combustion engine. That’s the feeling. So you have to know the timing to release the pedal, and how far to release it for braking as smooth as possible. And the muscle memory of “okay motor braking isn’t enough here, gotta use the actual brake pedal”. And this happens very rarely so it requires more cognitive overhead with these cars.
So it’s actually a lot more shit to worry about and understand than in my previous, manual shift car.
Shifting is just a product of the engine. This new engine doesn’t need it, so I’m not driving now?
Bullshit. 😉
When driving stick I engine brake for most of the time I’m decelerating. If I need more brake I downshift, less brake up shift.
Actually I do the same in my automatic. My drive to work isn’t prone to random traffic jams so I have enough time to engine brake for most of the drive. Just sub 15mph when I have to actually brake. I’ve actually learned how much I need to press the brake pedal to turn on the lights without actually braking.
Same actually. Rarely did I use the brake on my automatic unless I actually wanted to come to a halt. Same with manual, with the addition of decelerating for a turn off a highway and such rapid changes in direction. 👍 Eco driving!
Well, the transmission is just manual with 1 gear in an electric car. I’m cool with electric cars with an “auto” but I’m never buying an auto ICE car.
Well, the transmission is just manual with 1 gear in an electric car.
I feel like that’s maybe some slightly misleading nitpicking. 😄 There’s no need for a gearbox at all, the electric motor just delivers power and torque smoothly across the whole range of speed, so there’s no shifting whatsoever. 👍
I’m never buying an auto ICE car.
What exactly is an “auto ICE car”, for the uninitiated (me)? 🙏
I feel like that's maybe some slightly misleading nitpicking. 😄 There's no need for a gearbox at all, the electric motor just delivers power and torque smoothly across the whole range of speed, so there's no shifting _whatsoever_. 👍Yes, that’s kinda the same thing. I just tried to say that that’s why I’m fine with electric cars but not automatics. I wouldn’t be able to stand not having control over what gear I’m in, but if there’s always torque available, it’s fine.
What exactly is an "auto ICE car"Automatic internal combustion engine car.
Is it as satisfying as dropping to 3rd on the highway though? Iono, man. Feels pretty good!
More satisfying in my personal opinion. 🙂 The driving is so unbelievably smooth with an EV, if you want it to be. It can also be more “revvy” than a combustion engine car (the electric motors are stronger, so faster acceleration).
It’s a sweet deal if you care about driving comfort. 🤩
Look at this amateur with power steering, automatic choke, and an electric starter.
and doors
Plenty of motorycles in this world with none of those things. You’re telling me you need a roof, too? I used to ride mine to school in the snow and the rain. Uphill, both ways!
I daily a manual and this is a braindead take
If you can’t shift gears faster than 120ms you’re inferior to the automatic already.
You think f1 drivers are fucking around with a clutch? Get off your horse and realize everyone and their half siblings have moved on.
This is from a crusty guy who taught many a fine lady how to drive the ol stick shift. That was such a great pickup line.
F1 doesn’t use torque converted automatics or CVTs. They use much faster transmissions.
I don’t see where that was stated at all, just automatic.
And DCTs are definitely automatics.
There are other forms of automatic besides torque-converter based systems, even in the 50’s.
I thought F1 used sequential transmissions.
Pfft, amateur.
If you can’t manually adjust ignition timing and air:fuel ratios you can’t really drive a car.
Are we talking points, HEI, or injection? I don’t often have my laptop with me for the latter.
Early cars had controls for ignition timing, sometimes on the steering column.
Oh, we’re gatekeeping driving?
No, and if you learn manual, you’ll know what we mean!
