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    The TSA goon is an overlooked, frightening part of this. TSA has a perception of authority in these airports and he’s actively facilitating the abduction of someone by two plainclothes thugs and pretending anyone from intervening.

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    “Why can’t we have some people from Norway, Sweden, or Denmark? We always take people from Somalia, places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting”

    – Donald Trump

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      I have, quite involuntarily, for the past year, having flashes before my eyes of a bomb going off right in the middle of Trump and his lapdogs holding a press conference.

      To the NSA/CIA/FBI: no need, I’m already on the list

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    If people are dumb enough to vacation in a Fascist country, fuck them. There wasn’t much tourism in Nazi Germany but people were smarter then.

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      Ahh, victim blaming. People shouldn’t come here because it’s dangerous but I’m going to feel sorry when bad things happen. As well, the Nazis had a lot of tourism, in fact they hosted the Olympics before the war there and used it to spread propaganda. Just tourism dropped because of the war, not because of the Nazis.

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      I’m American and I went to universal studios this past weekend and was shocked by the amount of foreign tourists. It’s wild to me they don’t know or don’t care about the risk to themselves but are also willing to spend their tourist dollars here, essentially condoning the current government. There’s lots of legitimate reasons to be in the US but tourism isn’t one of them even for the world cup, that said there’s no excusing the actual perpetrators here, which aren’t the tourists. Fuck ICE not the people here for whatever reason.

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      I kind of agree. I wouldn’t go to the US for now, but they are helding the world cup and some people have to go work. I think the amount of people that went is crazy.

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        I was disheartened by it. A LOT of European folks are aggravatedly clueless, and a whole bunch of them are ripe for the brown shirted plucking.

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        Funny how that’s a recurring theme of budding fascist regimes to hold massive public spectacles like that.

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    There is no justification possible for doing that and then walking away. They know their actions are wrong and they about to get the shit kicked out of them.

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      If I read the article correctly, he was arrested the next day?

      Would be much easier for them to do their job if they were actually trained and uniformed. The bar is low and they can’t even hit it.

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      Yeah talk about a bootlicker. This is the equivalent of a Walmart greeter telling me to back up from a situation like this.

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    Man in fake moustache steals a shoe after seeing hes being filmed.

    Is this confirmed as ICE or have the common thugs latched onto it by now? Its only a matter of time.

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      Yeah how the fuck is this allowed? Masked people disappearing people off the streets? There should be way more stink about how they hide behind masks, that itself is so blatantly anti-democratic.

      It also has a significant psychological effect on the “agents” in that they feel they can’t be held responsible and it also internally dehumanizes them because they are no longer [person] but [anonymous agent].

      We saw what this leads to in the banana republic regimes that the US/CIA installed all over the world in the 60s, it always ended the same way, brutal repression and extrajudicial killings.

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    Ice agents? Unless identified as law enforcement they’re just some assholes beating up an innocent man.

    I’d start beating the shit out of them then claim in court there was no way for me to know who they were.

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      Yeah some weird hooded guy with questionable facial hair push down an older gentleman.

      Charges ought to be pressed

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      innocent man

      A man who refuses to leave a country they are in illegally is not an innocent man, regardless of what personal views one might have

      I do completely agree about the lack of uniform and ID… Shocking that more of these “agents” are not accidentally killed or seriously harmed

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        First, innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law.

        Second, these are also CIVIL infractions and not CRIMINAL. This isn’t in the criminal code, ergo, these people are not actually criminals.l just for being in this country without a valid visa.

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        People keep saying, “Why aren’t the courts doing anything about ICE?”

        They are.

        Federal courts have ruled thousands of times that ICE unlawfully detained people. Reuters reported that judges have found ICE illegally jailed individuals more than 4,400 times. There are also multiple active lawsuits alleging excessive force, denial of medical care, abusive detention conditions, and unconstitutional arrests.

        The problem isn’t that the courts aren’t ruling against ICE. The problem is that many of these rulings apply to individual cases or specific jurisdictions rather than creating nationwide policy. Critics argue that ICE has continued many of the same practices despite repeated adverse court decisions.

        Those are two very different issues. One is whether the judiciary is checking ICE’s conduct. The other is whether ICE is consistently changing its behavior in response to those rulings.

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          So the US justice system is utterly toothless and ineffective and may as well essentially not exist.

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            The US Justice System was recently handicapped by banning Federal appeals court rulings from being applied nationwide. As a result, the compromised and corrupt Supreme Court is the one and only court in the entire nation that’s allowed to make a nationwide ruling.

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              This is a misleading characterization of what actually happened.

              The Supreme Court did not ban federal appeals courts from issuing rulings that apply throughout their circuits, nor did it declare that only the Supreme Court can make decisions with broad legal effect.

              What the Court addressed was the use of nationwide (universal) injunctions, where a single district judge blocks a federal policy across the entire country before the case has fully worked its way through the courts. Those are not the same thing as appellate court precedents.

              The practical effect is that different circuits may reach different conclusions until the Supreme Court resolves the conflict. That’s how the federal judicial system has traditionally functioned. Appeals court decisions are still binding within their own circuits and continue to shape the law.

              If you want to argue that limiting nationwide injunctions is a bad policy, that’s a legitimate position. But saying the decision “banned federal appeals court rulings from being applied nationwide” or made the Supreme Court “the only court allowed to make nationwide rulings” is inaccurate. It conflates two different legal concepts to support a broader political narrative.

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                But all SCOTUS has to do is simply decline to hear a case in order to prevent nationwide injunctions on clearly-illegal activities.

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                This grossly mischaracterizes things.

                The defining feature of the US Court system is how slow it is. We are talking about federal policies that are corrupt, racist, and unconstitutional.

                The legal concepts of no injunctions and no legal power are effectively the same when discussing this issue because without nationwide injunctions, there is no mechanism to stop corrupt federal executive policy.

                The Supreme Court declines to hear most cases, they cherry pick what they want to review to create the illusion of a fair system, and occasionally when there is a large clear conflict between circuits then it means the Supreme Court may decide to hear the case in a year while harm is ongoing.

                You’re saying appeals courts are still binding on their own circuits, but we are talking about federal nationwide policy and executive branch that just ignores rulings unless there is enforcement.

                The correct way for this to have proceeded previously was for a federal appellate court to rule it’s unconstitutional to randomly harass people on the street because it violates the 4th Amendment without probable cause, rule it’s an ongoing pattern and they keep ignoring the law and so a simple legal instruction is insufficient, and the instruct the federal marshals to seize ice infrastructure, their computers and phones in DC, and destroy them, and then to stay the order while it gets an emergency appeal, forcing the Supreme Court to rule on this.

                But the Supreme Court doesn’t even have to rule on these issues now. The federal courts are powerless to do anything and the Supreme Court declines to hear it. Also, the Supreme Court held racism was a valid reason for detaining people, so ICE agents are fully allowed to randomly harass, detain, threaten and subdue people who are not white or not black, because that’s what these racist MAGA hicks want: they want a reduction in brown people, and they know they can’t easily harass and kill black people anymore, so they are just going after brown people instead.

                Let’s just call it what it is: racist white people don’t like so many Latinos and other brown skinned people, they have noticed that white people are a smaller portion of the USA and white people are having fewer children, so they have enacted racist policies and elected a corrupt Supreme Court and selected a racist government in power to find ways to change this.

                To pretend that the federal courts still have some sort of power in this situation is intellectually dishonest and mischaracterizes what is going on. In theory, decisions are binding on lower courts still. But what does it matter? Does a court matter if no one listens to it and then its power is taken away?

                The racist MAGA hicks made a calculation that they could come into power, enact laws that would have previously been deemed illegal, pack the courts with conservatives, and start a campaign to reduce the brown population of the USA and also that liberals and brown people would not take up arms and try to physically stop them. And that calculation was right. Liberals are notoriously anti-gun, anti-gun ownership, and for extreme gun regulations; they are also the party of civility. So… MAGA was right.

                What happens when things change and liberals come into power? Will there be hearings? A tribunal? The Supreme Court has sanctioned all of this under racist, intellectually dishonest language and so on what grounds can people be punished for evil? There are no grounds unless there’s a Constitutional amendment. It won’t happen. Even today, eminent domain is being used to seize land for data centers while black people never got their 40 acres or their mule. The horrible truth is MAGA got away with it and will get away with it. Liberals do not have the audacity and courage, nor the voting numbers, to do anything of substance.

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              Yeah I’m not going to take any kind of back talk from a culture that invented cheese in a can.

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                Mocking America over spray cheese is like mocking Britain over jellied eels or mushy peas. Every country has novelty foods. Spray cheese is a niche convenience product, not the defining feature of American cuisine.

                But sure, yes of course. we invented spray cheese.

                And you’ll take all the back tall I give you since you just read every word I wrote.

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            Specifically acquitted, no.

            I couldn’t find a case where someone was acquitted specifically because they fought an unidentified or plainclothes ICE agent. If that had happened, it’d probably be a pretty high-profile precedent.

            What I did find were multiple cases where charges were dropped, people were released, or courts ruled against ICE after video evidence contradicted the agents’ version of events or judges found the arrests or detention were unlawful.

            So it’s not true that the courts are just rubber-stamping everything ICE does. They’re ruling against ICE all the time. The bigger issue is that many of those rulings are case-specific and don’t automatically change ICE’s practices nationwide.

            Those are two very different questions.

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              I’m also interested in this second question.

              Are courts actually doing anything to stop ICE, or just awarding damages with taxpayer money? Dropped charges won’t help if you’re in a Salvadoran death camp.

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                A lot of our constitutional protections still apply and are still being enforced. For example, when an immigrant is arrested, the government is now required to provide a probable cause hearing, something that was not consistently happening at the beginning. As far as I can tell, people are being released when a court determines that their arrest was unlawful or unsupported by probable cause.

                Don’t get me wrong, it’s a complete shit show. My point is that it isn’t simply lawlessness. There are still legal safeguards in place, and people are challenging abuses in court. That doesn’t change my view that what we’re doing is wrong.

                Also nothing is awarded from tax payer money.

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    They “saw” they were being filmed? Nowadays you should just “assume” you are being filmed. WTF?

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      Well I don’t think they test for critical thinking skills on the application. Ability to successfully spell your own name on the first attempt probably elevates you to a high ranking position.

      Anyone with any brains and the ability to think more than 10 seconds in front of their own face has long since realised that joining ice is very much like signing your own death warrant. One way or another the Trump administration is going to come down and these idiots are going to be the first on the chopping blocks.

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    The ice guy is also wearing a fake mustache that’s peeling off. Hopfully he’s been identified by now and the neighbourhood he lives in knows he’s part of the gestapo.

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      Yeah wtf was that? And why not just grow a real one and shave it off before going back to your parents’ basement? Or is his testosterone so low, Hegseth won’t let him kill brown people?

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        I think it’s two women, maybe one is rocking a fake mustache to try to appear male at first glance.

        These two barely read as ICE to me much less any other LEO, they must be scraping the bottom of the barrel at this point.

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      Hi. American here.

      Fuck You to.

      What country are you from?

      Also as an American I fully condemn this administration, ice and everything the orange man has done from the bottom of my soul!

      You think we as a people like this? No! We don’t! We see what is happening! We understand. And we hate it!

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        You as a people certainly do like this. ICE has strong supporters. This is why the world thinks your a bunch of cunts.

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          This is a false dichotomy.

          You can support enforcing immigration law while still opposing how ICE conducts some of its operations. In fact, that’s the position many people take.

          The strongest opposition to ICE comes from the political left, particularly progressive Democrats and immigration advocacy groups. Their criticism is generally directed at tactics like large-scale raids, detention practices, due process concerns, and the scope of the agency’s authority. Some want major reforms; a smaller number want the agency abolished altogether.

          Meanwhile, Republicans and many conservatives overwhelmingly support ICE, arguing that it’s carrying out laws passed by Congress and is an essential part of immigration enforcement.

          So pretending there’s some universal consensus either for or against ICE is just inaccurate. The agency is one of the most politically polarized institutions in the country. Whether someone supports it, wants it reformed, or wants it abolished depends largely on their political views, not on some objective, settled fact.

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        Wah wah wah citizen of country that has decades of war crimes under its belt gets upset when called out on 0.1% of it

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              No. It is entirely relevant.

              Your country has participated in military interventions, surveillance, controversial policing, treatment of Indigenous peoples, immigration detention, and plenty of other policies that deserve criticism. Yet somehow America is uniquely evil while your country gets a pass. That’s selective outrage.

              So yes, I’m going to defend my country when someone from another country spends their time lecturing Americans as if theirs is fundamentally different. It isn’t. The differences are often a matter of degree, not kind.

              You can criticize America all you want. I have no issue with that. What I take issue with is the double standard. If you’re going to condemn the United States for something, then apply that exact same standard to your own country. If you don’t, then this isn’t about principles, it’s about your bias against America.

              Don’t expect Americans to quietly nod along while foreigners endlessly dump on their country. We’re allowed to push back, we’re allowed to defend it, and we’re allowed to point out when the criticism comes from someone whose own country engages in many of the same practices they’re denouncing. If you don’t like being called out for that, the solution isn’t to tell Americans to stop defending their country, it’s to apply your standards consistently.

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              Nothing. What about anything? Your country is a shithole just like mine.

              It’s full of deep-rooted nationalism, political cults that dictate policy, and extreme right-wing politicians pulling the same crap we have here in America.

              You have extreme homelessness in your capital, predatory lending practices, and billionaires in the top 1% who don’t pay their fair share of taxes.

              Your universal healthcare is pretty good, though. I can’t say anything bad about that.

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        Then accept the fuck yous you’re getting, get used to the animosity, and vote to fix your government. Your country’s horseshit spills over everywhere and we’re tired of having to step through the shit left behind by your administration.

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          We actually are. If what you’re expecting is bloody revolution that’s not going to happen. And I understand from the outside looking in it seems like we’re doing nothing but that isn’t the case.

          As an American once again, I condemn the actions of our current sitting president. Ice is a modern-day Gestapo.

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          Good for you.

          So the guy condemning America and saying fuck you to it is high quality rage bait?

          Or you don’t like the fact that I’m simply defending the country that I love and live in?

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            Nah he’s just objectively correct, fuck America.

            Also as an American I fully condemn this administration, ice and everything the orange man has done from the bottom of my soul!

            Or you don’t like the fact that I’m simply defending the country that I love and live in?

            You’re getting better at the ragebait tho

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              And like I said before fuck You and your country right back.

              This is what I’m doing in my shit hole right now.

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                You said none of those but sure, fuck my country, nationalism is a blight upon this world

                Have fun being mad at the beach while you can before the American gestapo takes you in for saying you hate Trump

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                  Yeah, that’s not how any of that works, even here in the US.

                  Which is why you’re a self-loathing fucktard, and why I chose to engage with you. It was high time someone pushed back against your type.

                  You’re all high and mighty with the whole “fuck America” routine. Well, fuck you too, buddy.

                  You don’t know shit about America, Americans, our politics, or what it means to be an American. And it’s not even worth explaining it to you, because no matter what anyone says, you’re still going to think you’re better.

                  But deep down, you know full well how much worse the backwater human rights catastrophe you take your morning dump in really is.

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        we’re not special

        we’ve treated numerous people in various nations the same way

        not every Russian is pro pootin but plenty in the US cheer at deaths over the war with Ukraine and America’s current behavior affects many more directly than that conflict

        best you get used to being treated like the heel, it’s only going to get worse

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            We’ll see in November when the Republicans will win the midterms because people vote R and the other part is too lazy to get off of their asses to vote. Is that the reckoning you’re talking about?

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            You’ve been saying that for years. I’ve yet to see any pushback, now the rallies are a good start but they have to go on day after day after day after day after day until the situation improves, not one weekend every six months.