Israel has no right to exist, it is stolen land that needs to be returned
You could say that about nearly every country. Perhaps white people need to leave the US and Australia. Perhaps anybody with Anglo-Saxon genetics needs to leave the British Isles and return to the area around Germany and Denmark.
I think Israel’s current far-right government is terrible and has committed genocide, but I don’t think that means Israel needs to stop existing as a country altogether. Germany didn’t stop existing after WW2, although of course it was split into two parts.
I think some people don’t like the idea of an explicitly Jewish state existing, but if someone uses that logic, then surely they would have to also object to every explicitly Muslim state: Iran, Saudi Arabia, and so on.
Countries can be divided peacefully and merge peacefully so yeah israel do not have a right to exists just like any other country or state. A a two state is no longer possible because of israel was keeping creating new colonies so a new entity with all people having equal rights to be created
I take your point generally – at what point do you draw the line? I think there are significant differences though. The USA and Australia have been colonised for hundreds of years and still have ongoing debates around the rights of indigenous people. In Britain the Anglo-Saxons have been there for around 1500 years and even in that case there are still distinct national identities, languages and devolved powers.
Israel is less than 80 years old and is still actively importing colonists to occupy existing territories and expand further, all while enacting a genocide.
On the Jewish state question I just have to ask if you support explicitly ethno-nationalist states. For example do you support the UK or other European countries being “white” nations and all that this implies in terms of mass deportations and segregation?
Israel may be less than 80 years old but there have been Jewish people’s living in the region for millennia. They even predate Christians and Muslims.
Practically though once you start having multiple generations of people growing up in the area just deporting everyone becomes impossible. The state is ~10 million people. Where would they all go?
The solution has to be finding an accommodation that allows everyone in the area to live in peace. Or they can just keep trying to genocide each other and see how that works out but I think that’s just going to result in even more misery all round.
I’m not sure I’d describe a state with nearly 30% non-Jewish citizens as an ethnostate. Jews in other middle eastern states don’t often have the same rights as their fellow citizens.
Yes, there were native jews. From what I’ve read there was never a conflict there. The problem came when foreign jews came to settle explicitly to build a jewish state and supplant the local population. They do want an ethnostate. Look at the words and actions of people like Smotrich, Ben-Gvir or go even further back to Herzl, founder of zionism.
I do agree that it’s impractical and immoral to mass expel jews that have settled in Israel for a few generations now; those that are still settling could return to their countries of origin. I do also agree that the only just way forward has to include jews and Palestinians finding some peace living together. I can’t speak for the OP but when I hear the phrase “Israel doesn’t have a right to exist” this is what I understand. Whether you call it Israel, Palestine or something else it cannot continue to exist as a Jewish state. It should grant equal rights and respect to all its citizens. Getting there from where they are now will not be easy but we could start with addressing the international Israel lobby.
ZioNazi genocide of Palestinians is what’s wrong.
And Israel has no right to exist, it is stolen land that needs to be returned.
You could say that about nearly every country. Perhaps white people need to leave the US and Australia. Perhaps anybody with Anglo-Saxon genetics needs to leave the British Isles and return to the area around Germany and Denmark.
I think Israel’s current far-right government is terrible and has committed genocide, but I don’t think that means Israel needs to stop existing as a country altogether. Germany didn’t stop existing after WW2, although of course it was split into two parts.
I think some people don’t like the idea of an explicitly Jewish state existing, but if someone uses that logic, then surely they would have to also object to every explicitly Muslim state: Iran, Saudi Arabia, and so on.
Countries can be divided peacefully and merge peacefully so yeah israel do not have a right to exists just like any other country or state. A a two state is no longer possible because of israel was keeping creating new colonies so a new entity with all people having equal rights to be created
I take your point generally – at what point do you draw the line? I think there are significant differences though. The USA and Australia have been colonised for hundreds of years and still have ongoing debates around the rights of indigenous people. In Britain the Anglo-Saxons have been there for around 1500 years and even in that case there are still distinct national identities, languages and devolved powers.
Israel is less than 80 years old and is still actively importing colonists to occupy existing territories and expand further, all while enacting a genocide.
On the Jewish state question I just have to ask if you support explicitly ethno-nationalist states. For example do you support the UK or other European countries being “white” nations and all that this implies in terms of mass deportations and segregation?
Israel may be less than 80 years old but there have been Jewish people’s living in the region for millennia. They even predate Christians and Muslims.
Practically though once you start having multiple generations of people growing up in the area just deporting everyone becomes impossible. The state is ~10 million people. Where would they all go?
The solution has to be finding an accommodation that allows everyone in the area to live in peace. Or they can just keep trying to genocide each other and see how that works out but I think that’s just going to result in even more misery all round.
I’m not sure I’d describe a state with nearly 30% non-Jewish citizens as an ethnostate. Jews in other middle eastern states don’t often have the same rights as their fellow citizens.
Yes, there were native jews. From what I’ve read there was never a conflict there. The problem came when foreign jews came to settle explicitly to build a jewish state and supplant the local population. They do want an ethnostate. Look at the words and actions of people like Smotrich, Ben-Gvir or go even further back to Herzl, founder of zionism.
I do agree that it’s impractical and immoral to mass expel jews that have settled in Israel for a few generations now; those that are still settling could return to their countries of origin. I do also agree that the only just way forward has to include jews and Palestinians finding some peace living together. I can’t speak for the OP but when I hear the phrase “Israel doesn’t have a right to exist” this is what I understand. Whether you call it Israel, Palestine or something else it cannot continue to exist as a Jewish state. It should grant equal rights and respect to all its citizens. Getting there from where they are now will not be easy but we could start with addressing the international Israel lobby.
Do you think Rhodesia should have been allowed to continue existing?