• theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Nope! Factually and objectively wrong, no opinion involved.

    If it isn’t connected to the internet, it isn’t using any hosted services. The “stealing” argument, while still wrong, can only be argued if using their hosted services.

    This claim is the same as claiming it is stealing if you don’t turn on and use a TV, despite owning one.

    • 🍉 Albert 🍉@lemmy.world
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      from what I’m aware of.

      modern TVs are sold at a loss because they then profit of your data.

      if that agreement was explicit, I would consider “not connecting it to the Internet” stealing, but a good stealing.

      but it isn’t explicit, so it is more like you pritecting yourself from data theft

      • Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        odern TVs are sold at a loss because they then profit of your data

        I strongly doubt that. Maybe they sell at a lower margin to keep competitive, but they’d never sell at a loss. Okay, on paper maybe because they know exactly how to tune those numbers. But in the end, they make profit.

      • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
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        My arguement is they sell TVs at a loss, expecting to make it up with my data.

        But they don’t sell any TVs that DON’T do that.

        I’d easily pay $20,000 for a 200 inch dumb tv at 8k, BUT THAT DOESN’T EXIST!!!

        So I have to make due with a dumb projector.

      • Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca
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        it can’t be stealing since nothing is physically being taken from them, nor are we profiting from them.

        their expectation on getting our data, isn’t theft since it doesn’t belong to them in the first place.

        it’s the same vein that piracy isn’t stealing because nothing is actually being taken. it’s only duplicated. loss of income, or presumed income… sure, but it’s not theft.

      • theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world
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        1 day ago

        Right, what you agree to is clearly described in legal terms in the product EULA, there is no room for opinion because it is all very well defined. At least for my Roku TV, the EULA includes no kind of mandate for internet connection.