If we’re going to be dismissive let’s be dismissive. This entire discussion can be summed up as you crying crocodile tears over someone being mean on the internet. You can keep your tears to yourself, we don’t care for your crying.
I went back all the comments to pick one but in the end I found I could point to almost every comment in this tree as an example. In fact I found it easier to point where you came closest to actually being sincere.
If it is malware then harshness is justified, but I’d be willing to debate over the strict definition of malware and whether it technically applies here.
But even that you got ready to reject before you had even finished the sentence and followed up with this.
But I don’t think most of the harshness we’ve seen is actually borne of that kind of outrage.
So please, do point where your sincerity and consideration is.
This comment you just made. Like what the fuck are we doing here? You made the claim you’re sincere, the burden of proof is on you. If you were genuinely sincere how is it this hard to point at a single fucking thing you yourself said? You don’t even have to remind yourself what you’ve said, the entire history of your comments is right here, just scroll up.
But no, you have to go play some fucking ring around the rosie to try and make me somehow prove you weren’t sincere. This doesn’t even need any further explanation, it should be obvious why this is not sincere.
We’re doing exactly what I’ve been criticizing the rest of the fediverse for doing. There are no stakes here. Neither of us have been harmed or otherwise inconvenienced by the other. Yet we’re ramping up the outrage. We’ve abandoned all discussion of the original topic and are nitpicking over the tone of adjacent comments. Stoking outrage has become the point.
Be honest, does that sound about right? Does that sound familiar? Isn’t that what always happens in these sorts of discussions? It’s not healthy, and I perceive the same rotten motivation in much of the community responses to this tesseract case.
I can’t and don’t approve of, excuse, or defend the actions of the tesseract dev. I do empathize with him though. I can understand the impulse to double down and lash out. That’s just human psychology. So I don’t fault the dev for feeling that way, even if I do fault their actions. But I deem the fault to be immaturity, not malice.
I do think that, had the community not gone straight to the outrage memes, that perhaps things would have shaken out differently. If tesseract is/was as popular with the community as the level of outrage suggests, then it would seem that losing the developer of that software is a net loss for the community.
Had the dev been more mature… well they probably wouldn’t have gotten themselves into this mess in the first place. But had they been more mature in the aftermath, and had the community been more forgiving, then the situation might have resolved amicably to everyone’s benefit. Instead, we traded a valued community member for outrage memes.
This I sincerely believe. This I have given due consideration. This I am willing to discuss and be persuaded against, if a person can be found who honestly disagrees with most of what I’ve just said and can explain why.
That’s my point. People are crying crocodile tears over spilled milk.
If we’re going to be dismissive let’s be dismissive. This entire discussion can be summed up as you crying crocodile tears over someone being mean on the internet. You can keep your tears to yourself, we don’t care for your crying.
My dismissiveness is a sincere, considered position.
Your dismissiveness is a spiteful, knee-jerk reaction.
We are not the same.
Really? You want to reference any of your previous comments to show where that sincerity and consideration exists?
Can you point to a comment where I am not?
I went back all the comments to pick one but in the end I found I could point to almost every comment in this tree as an example. In fact I found it easier to point where you came closest to actually being sincere.
But even that you got ready to reject before you had even finished the sentence and followed up with this.
So please, do point where your sincerity and consideration is.
Can you point to a comment that you would describe as insincere, and can you explain why you think so?
This comment you just made. Like what the fuck are we doing here? You made the claim you’re sincere, the burden of proof is on you. If you were genuinely sincere how is it this hard to point at a single fucking thing you yourself said? You don’t even have to remind yourself what you’ve said, the entire history of your comments is right here, just scroll up.
But no, you have to go play some fucking ring around the rosie to try and make me somehow prove you weren’t sincere. This doesn’t even need any further explanation, it should be obvious why this is not sincere.
We’re doing exactly what I’ve been criticizing the rest of the fediverse for doing. There are no stakes here. Neither of us have been harmed or otherwise inconvenienced by the other. Yet we’re ramping up the outrage. We’ve abandoned all discussion of the original topic and are nitpicking over the tone of adjacent comments. Stoking outrage has become the point.
Be honest, does that sound about right? Does that sound familiar? Isn’t that what always happens in these sorts of discussions? It’s not healthy, and I perceive the same rotten motivation in much of the community responses to this tesseract case.
I can’t and don’t approve of, excuse, or defend the actions of the tesseract dev. I do empathize with him though. I can understand the impulse to double down and lash out. That’s just human psychology. So I don’t fault the dev for feeling that way, even if I do fault their actions. But I deem the fault to be immaturity, not malice.
I do think that, had the community not gone straight to the outrage memes, that perhaps things would have shaken out differently. If tesseract is/was as popular with the community as the level of outrage suggests, then it would seem that losing the developer of that software is a net loss for the community.
Had the dev been more mature… well they probably wouldn’t have gotten themselves into this mess in the first place. But had they been more mature in the aftermath, and had the community been more forgiving, then the situation might have resolved amicably to everyone’s benefit. Instead, we traded a valued community member for outrage memes.
This I sincerely believe. This I have given due consideration. This I am willing to discuss and be persuaded against, if a person can be found who honestly disagrees with most of what I’ve just said and can explain why.