I can’t WAIT to VOTE him OUT so I can pay MORE for Groceries again!
-LITERALLY Republican Voters!
Excuse me for wanting to be poor!
Not a Republican, but there is a lot of nuance.
He can sell groceries at a loss because the money comes from other places…all of which is eventually paid for in taxes (in this case there is probably a small resitribution from rich to poor which I am happy with).
I don’t mind Democrats getting caught helping their constituents. But let’s not pretend he found some cheap grocery loophole; grocery store are already incredibly efficient, they only make ~3% profit. I am just speculating that the logistics needed to spin up govt groceries is much larger than the existing ~3% markup from the private sector.
Ag/food production is already subsidized, so it’s not like buying from for profit stores eliminates social aspects of the industry. On the other side, what NYC is doing is removing CEOs with multimullion dollar comp packages from the equation.
The problem is we are only talking about grocery stores where the revenue is only about 3%. Ton of problems with Big Ag which as you said is heavily subsidized. I don’t mind the redistribution. I think it is great optics. But I just think it is ineffective, because grocery stores (only talking stores) are in fact very efficient already.
grocery stores are efficient for their owners, but not for food. grocery stores waste a lot of food. source: i used to eat grocery store dumpster food
If they were efficient for their owners, there profit would be a shit ton more than 3% of revenue.
Food dumping is its own issue. I bet the government grocery stores will have to follow the exact same laws.
The Piggly Wigley or the Bodega are not raking it in.
It’s true, the people who own the stores make barely anything.
We all know capitalists just help people out of the goodness of their hearts. That’s why America has free health care and no gun worries.
My god, what kind of hellhole is this Communist turning NYC into?
The funniest headlines from NYP and Fox are simultaneously promoting socialist democrats and criticizing the DNC centrist they are aiming to replace lol.
Neat.
Also when you scroll down on the page, the background gets more red. Is that a subtle “we’re turning more communist” joke? (Ok, it says
linear-gradient(180deg,#e2f3ff,#ffecd9), which isn’t really red)Concerns with this model.
- Scalping. What is preventing people from buying out the store in bulk and reselling outside the store for a profit.
- 30% of what? If private grocery stores drop their prices/profits to be competitive, will these municipal stores drop their prices again? I would think a set profit rate for a municipal store would cut out price gouging, but allow private grocery stores to continue operations.
- What are actual profit margins that grocery stores in the city are running on? Many articles say 1-3% profits are typical for grocery stores. Is this true for NYC?
- Is this expected to a budget expense or a self funded operation after the initial investment?
Scalping. What is preventing people from buying out the store in bulk and reselling outside the store for a profit.
You’re going to buy out all the lettuce and expect to move the volume of a grocery store on your lonesome? With all the labor of buying it out of their storefront, repacking, etc? If you want it that bad, go for it. Do you do this now, or something?
You simply underestimate how many people will be lining up to buy bootleg lettuce out of the back of a van so that they can save 10 cents off the for-profit store price while not having to suffer the indignity of going to the commie store. Only have to move a few tons a day to make a tidy profit, it’s easy money!
During the press conference a journalist asked the question on scalping and the EDC director said that they would have mechanisms in place to prevent it.
Scalping. What is preventing people from buying out the store in bulk and reselling outside the store for a profit.
Others can just go to the store.
30% of what?
One assumes these stores are not trying to generate profit. Logic implies that the prices are being compared to other stores.
Your other questions don’t interest me enough to look further, but I’m sure someone will.
Others can just go to the store
Other people going to the store doesn’t stop scalpers from clearing the shelves. If they restock overnight, scalpers can and do wait for stores to open just so they can clear them out.
Logic implies that the prices are being compared to other stores.
Imagine this scenario. Private grocery store (PGS) sells bread for $5 a loaf. Municipal grocery store (MGS) sells bread for $3.50. PGS decides to cut their profits margins (citation needed) and sell at a competitive $3.50. MSG sells bread at $2.75 (after all this is 70% of 3.50). This repeats until the PGS goes out of business and the operating cost of MSG is much higher than expected.
Stores are often easily able to put a limit per transaction. I don’t think a scalper is going to go through the till 500 times to clear the store of its 1000 jugs of milk limited to 2 per person.
I don’t think anybody is going to buy wholesale quantities of bootleg food at only slightly better cost than normal. If this one store runs out, there’s all the competitors that still have normal priced whatever it is.
Like this is like an elementary school math problem, this wont make a difference to the store if somebody buys 40 pies.
40 pies? That’s as many as four tens. And that’s terrible.
The details aren’t all there yet, but potential options:
- scalping - put an upper limit order value or max number of an item in place. You can’t completely remove scalping, but if they can maintain stock, there isn’t a real need to go to a scalper.
- 30% of what is the current grocery price. If other stores drop their price then I would expect the price differential will drop but the objective will be met then.
- Odds are the municipal store won’t compete on every item, but more the essentials. I’d expect it to look more like an Aldi than a store with 60 options. Lower prices should cause higher turnover of perishable items and lower variety would minimize hitting expiration dates. Shrink is where a lot of profit is lost in grocery stores, so it’s a good thing to target. Municipal store should also be able to use some government beuracracy (food stamps, food banks) already in place to have lower overhead.
- it should be able to be self funded but realize it will likely start linking together food security programs (food stamps, wic) which would look like it is getting extra gov funding even though the tax burden wouldn’t change.
Does anyone have a list of addresses for the grocery stores and their planned dates?
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Even the Egyptian kings knew if they kept the populace fed, sheltered, and somewhat entertained that the public would do what they were told. Now with so many homeless and so many joining the ranks quickly they’re voice is being shut out by the same people who are causing famine, disease, and chaos in order to profit from it.
Mr. Mamdani is a student of history and realizes this, not so much because he wants to control the populace but because he’s a good person. He has a moral compass that points to “good” - for the good of all.
It’s literally bread and circuses. Meanwhile capitalism has decided to take away bread and jack up the price of circuses and they are surprised the people are turning on it. Thoughts and prayers don’t fill stomachs: actions do.
Boom
Anyone know how the prices will compare to the Park Slope Co-op?
The only thing that can stop a primary candidate with a platform like Mamdani, is depressed Dem primary turnout…
The DNC chair didn’t endorse him in the primary, because this chair will never even glance at the scales during any primary.
But literal days after Mamdani became the candidate, he gave a PBS interview talking about how if Dems want to win, we need to run candidates like Mamdani.
We’ll get a fair primary with nothing holding us back, and voting in the Dem primary comes with zero obligations in the general. There is absolutely zero reason to stop voting in Dem primaries now. It’s more important than it’s ever been, because it’ll be the first fair one in at least 30 years.
But all the stuff Mamdani is doing in NYC today, can be done nationwide in just a couple years if we don’t give up right before the finish line of a marathon
Which upcoming dem primary are you referring to when you say “it’ll be the first fair one in at least 30 years”?
The only one the DNC is supposed to be involved in…
And in case you don’t know what that is because since slick Willy was in office (30 years ago) the neoliberals have kept their finger on the scal s and in all the pies:
The presidential primary
Got it, thanks. What leads you to believe that the neoliberals will not have their finger on the scales in the next presidential primary?
The neoliberals lost control of the DNC after the 2024 election.
Thanks. I wasn’t really aware of the DNS goings on, so it’s good to know.
That the current DNC chair was the state party chair of Minnesota for a decade with a proven track record of doing so…
That the way the neoliberals controlled politicians and entire state parties was withholding funding thru the victory fund and the current chair has immediately and without strings dumped that money back on the state parties…
That the current DNC chair said Mamdani is the type of candidate we need for president both in policy and charisma…
And a bunch of other reasons.
Thanks. I guess I hadn’t been keeping an eye on the DNC over the last couple of years. I hope that this will pan out!
It already is…
The reason why we keep winning special election is with the funding from the DNC, everywhere has been operating at campaign levels for a year and a half.
Normally that’s only for 2 maybe 3 months before the general.
Trump controls the RNC, and if they give anyone money it’ll only be the most extreme maga candidates who are likely to lose.
The cards are dealt, we just haven’t laid them down yet.
Interesting, thanks. Does that mean that progressive candidates actually have a chance of getting DNC money or at least fair treatment this time around?
Its important to see that candidates are winning by offering something to the voters. They aren’t running in orange man bad. They can feel that way, but it’s not why they are running
There are like a bajillion studies relating voter psychology and political preferences. If you want conservatives to vote you run on anger, holding onto what you have, fear of the other. You want the other side to vote, you have to present a vision of what’s possible.
By the same token, now is the time to promote this message of hope and action wherever you see it, and swiftly remediate every expression of doom and defeat, however harmless it may seem. We all share responsibility for morale to the extent that it anticipates collective action.
Now is not the time to give up and stay home, yet there are many around here currently in a state of deep hopelessness they feel compelled to spread. These people are effectively deactivated and would deactivate others if only as a comfort to themselves, to validate their misery and justify their inaction. They don’t realize, or simply aren’t considering, how contagious that behavior can be.
I like this guy.
All essentials fine.
But it’s fucked up that this includes meat and dairy
and the tankies are soooooooo butthurt. calling him a libtard and stuff. at least he is doing SOMETHING USEFUL.
They are? I feel like you’re butthurt about tankies advocating for marxism that any success the ideology has needs to be stripped away from it and announced as against it?
I’ve never seen a single tankie hating on mumdani if anything they just keep hating on everyone who’s hating on mumdani, because mumdani actually pushes socialist policies
I’m getting very confused what i’m supposed to be arguing against here, is your point that tankies aren’t socialist?
…?
I don’t know of anybody who could be accurately described as “tankie” who would be against anything he’s done. They might say it doesn’t go far enough, but I wouldn’t describe that as “butthurt”. Where are you encountering comments like that?
I don’t know of anybody who could be accurately described as “tankie” who would be against anything he’s done. They might say it doesn’t go far enough, but I wouldn’t describe that as “butthurt”. Where are you encountering comments like that?
Because when you are terminally online, nothing irl will ever be good enough.
it was .ml or hexbear, cant remember which
I’m not the same commenter as the one you’ve replied to, but I’ve definitely seen tankies shitting on people who support Mamdani. I didn’t save any of those comments so I can’t directly point to any right now, but many of your comrades over on .ml are continuing to sow dissent on the left; pushing anti-voting rhetoric; and suggesting that even Mamdani doesn’t pass the purity test. It’s unhelpful at best and actively helping Republicans at worst.
My favorite are the ones who have been like “He hasn’t said a single word about Palestine since the election!” that I was seeing a few months ago. Even more hilarious with his recent very public statements.
What’s hilarious about his recent public statements?
He literally ran on the idea that he would arrest netanyahu, and his recent statement was “he’s a war criminal, but whoopsie I actually can’t arrest him, sorry”
That his very political backtracking is hilarious to you is very concerning. He’s not a horrible mayor, Americans would be way better off with people like him in power, but of course socialist will shit on him as he maintains the imperial status quo. He’ll talk about Palestine and keep using it as rhetoric, but so far all he’s done is call netanyahu a war criminal and say he can’t arrest him, and he is working very closely with several Zionists on his team.
The problem with liberals is they worship individuals instead of ideals and ideas. You can’t criticize mamdani without being called a maga or tankie, there is no room for discussion, he’s perfect and can do no wrong because “his moral compass points to good”.
What do you propose he do then?
*does nothing
What do you propose he do then?
I propose he doesn’t run on issues he never had intentions to deliver on. He shouldn’t make promises he could never keep.
He was either woefully unprepared and didn’t know that obviously he has no jurisdiction to arrest netanyahu under the ICC warrant, or he knew and lied. I don’t think he’s incompetent.
You may enjoy the short term benefits he brings domestically, but as an imperialist, he serves the ruling class like the rest of them. You can both celebrate wins and criticize flaws.
Stop worshipping politicians.
So, what are you doing for the cause, comrade? Other than going online and denigrating those actively improving the lives of other people. Where’s your praxis?
You need to understand the difference between shitting on people and calling out hypocrisy
Let’s follow this train of thought that ended with people believing that rare instances of successful compromised socialism through voting is more socialist than marxism
When a Israel parade takes place in NY people will call it out and demand support for genocidal ethno state cease completely, of course the mayor wants to do that but the power you gain from being voted in is limited, limited by the people allowing you to stay in office, take a look at khan in ICC, this isn’t very good because it makes democracy look like a failed system, it isn’t we just like to consider the powerful as morally just people that will adhere to it, thinking otherwise is too scary to consider, listen i don’t get paid enough to hate governments
So naturally democrats wanting to get any sort of legitimacy for voting even though a pedophile was voted into office(the goal is to maintain stability at the sacrifice of change) will label this criticism or pointing out limits of power of the voted in representatives as an attack on change, the idea here is that any concession allowed by the ruling class must not be judged or criticized, turning the struggle against them into a struggle for them, they did permit us to have Mamdani so we should not question it further and just focus on throwing away the original principles that the movement stood for and instead have Mamdani become the movement to highlight how successful it is, he was the 1 in 100 good apple the system leaked through so there’s no way he’s suppressed or contained, did i say concession earlier, i meant victory
Now that we’ve adapted to this new successful view(the 1 in 100 Mamdanism) that keeps giving legitimacy to democracy we can shit on anyone, especially people who used to criticize us, like tankies! But wait we were both against the epstein class, wars in middle east how come we’re against them now? Well they must have veered away from their principles of socialism, see socialism is all about democracy(alarm bells) trust me and tankies criticize our democratic representatives, we also agree with them on criticism for 99/100 of the representatives but listen, tankies are enemies, not just any enemies, a bigger enemy than misrepresentation even! If they judge any representative we don’t judge then they’re against the 1in100Mamdanism movement which is socialism(through elections but don’t bring that up now, we made progress here), if they do agree well that’s good but it doesn’t show greatness of elections and stability so why focus on it
It’s better to point at tankies as the evildoers who tried to get in our way whenever the 1in100Mamdanism succeeds again, than to point to the Democrats and republicans that did a smear campaign against him, because we are a fair and functioning democracy, and pointing the latter puts a question mark on something that should never be questioned
My “comrades” are like people who signed up to the same email server, were not all familiar with each other. There’s not some meeting or private chat I can bring the matter to.
Is there anybody of significance, or significant number of people, saying these things? Or are we letting the trolls dictate the worst takes for everyone?
https://aussie.zone/post/34009816/23629202
https://aussie.zone/post/34788654/24037514
https://aussie.zone/post/34745780/24008930
https://aussie.zone/post/34745780/24008953
Just a handful of examples I found lazily searching for a couple of minutes - and that’s only specific to criticising Mamdani. If you want a list of .ml users encouraging people in the US to stop voting altogether, that list would be much longer.
My “comrades” are like people who signed up to the same email server, were not all familiar with each other.
Of course you don’t personally know everyone from .ml but you’ve been here long enough to know exactly the kind of person that maintains and posts from an account on .ml. Tankies spouting No True Scotsman, anti-voting, leftist-dividing, Russia/PRC dick-sucking rhetoric are par for the course. It’s why as soon as someone comments from a .ml domain the rest of us collecvitely sigh and brace ourselves before we read what you have to say.
I’m not denying that there are reasonable and rational people from .ml - you yourself seem to be one of them - but there is so much bad faith whataboutism and tankie nonsense that people like yourself who continue to maintain a .ml account end up getting lumped in with them.
I have been blocking .ml for a couple of days now after having been argued with in bad faith, having words put into my mouth and basically having been declared one of “Hitlers Helpers” for just talking about my lived experience with the GDR and being a social democrat instead of a communist.
Lemmy in its entirety has become so much more pleasant and the amount of posts and comments that go “voting makes no sense at all” that I see has plummeted to basically nothing. It’s very refreshing.
Honestly, I would not be surprised if something like 80% of those that identify as tankies online are just paid actors working to try to depress Democratic turnout.
Tankies just want to talk about Socialism in a perfect vacuum. Why would they want to talk about someone actually doing things. That requires effort.
Oh and they love spending lots of time and effort trying to make “blue maga” happen, LOL.
Tankies just want to talk about Socialism in a perfect vacuum. Why would they want to talk about someone actually doing things. That requires effort.
I feel like it’s the complete opposite. The people that I see online who end up being labelled as “tankies” are usually the ones asking the hard questions about how to actually achieve socialism in the real world, while liberals and social democrats are the ones dreaming in a vacuum, basically arguing that we’ll just have to ask the billionaires and imperialists nicely to give up their money and power, etc., ad infinitum.
Giving a thirty percent discount on milk, eggs and chicken shows that Mamdani doesn’t care about animals’ welfare.
Oh fuck off. I know you’re mostly a satire account but this is just ignorant and unhelpful.
Reforming agriculture is important, but we can find a way to do that without forcing the urban poors into debt and starvation
I just care about animal rights.
So do I, but you’re not going to get the entire population of NYC to become vegan overnight.
Reforming agriculture is important, but so is reducing hunger and poverty.
Vegan food is cheaper, healthier and fills people up just the same as meat so it’s more effective to only offer the discounts on it.
A lot of people don’t know how to cook vegan meals, or that you can get a full balanced nutrition from vegan meals, or how to shop for vegan meals. You can’t force people to buy vegan-only food or to eat vegan.
Sure, pricing them out of meat might encourage them to eat vegan, but that just adds to social stratification because anyone who can afford it will still eat it. It would be better to reform the agriculture system as a whole, not try to reduce meat consumption by pricing the poors out of it while the rich gorge themselves.
That would be like trying to save the environment by making commercial flights more expensive. Rich people will still use private jets, which are the main contributor to emissions. Commercial flights are more efficient than personal vehicles on a per-passenger basis for medium- and long-hauls
It’s not a ban on meat it is just not subsidizing it.
It’s not a ban on meat [for the affluent] it is just not subsidizing it.
FTFY
I got ragebaited by this HARD bro.
So did 26 others as of this writing.
Sweet.
Since when is it considered ‘ragebait’ to give a damn about animals?
Boring
Your use of electronic media to post this message shows you don’t care about the environment.
I’m powering my computer with generator mounted to a stationary bicycle which proves that I do care about the environment.
Trying to argue ethical purities is pretty pointless. I don’t know where the piefed.world server is hosted but it’s probably not powered the same way. Regardless, there is environmental damage caused by any kind of consumerism, such as the creation and shipping of your bicycle or the generator it’s connected to, unless you built the bicycle out of bamboo and the generator out of rocks. And that’s ok. You don’t need to justify that to anyone. Being ethical can just mean being a minimal consumer to a reasonable degree. Which it sounds like you are.
That’s all and good but there is no reason to eat or use animal products and less of a reason to discount them.
Especially if the guy calls himself progressive.
Pedal harder slave! I have posts I wish to reply to.
I have three children so they take turns pedalling.
Take turns? Get more bikes.
Are they your children or do we need to send patrol cars over???
Division of labor, smart
Eggs are not animals.
Women’s rights!
Also milk is rape
Eggs are chicken periods. This is menstruvore erasure!
chickens don’t have periods
Then what are chicken eggs?
they’re eggs. chickens lay eggs. they don’t have periods.
Eggs are periods. Where do you think they come from? What do you think they do?
birds don’t menstruate
They are, white ninja told me that.
While you are technically correct (fellow vegan here), this ain’t the time or place. The rest of the world isn’t vegan, and we can’t afford to be split up over moral differences.
Let’s advocate for animals after the threat of having targets painted on our backs is gone. We can’t advocate for animals if we’re exiled, thrown in jail or at worst, shot for expressing our political beliefs. We need to rally behind the Mamdanis in this country.
It’s always the time and place to respect animal rights.
I agree with you in spirit. Also, even if we converted 10k nonvegans to vegans today, it wouldn’t begin to put a dent in the trillions of animals suffering per year for human consumption.
You can’t ignore intersectionality. We can get a few vegans onboard in a capitalist context, but it’s like trying to light a match underwater.
Undo capitalism, and veganism can spread like wildfire. People are always going to put their human concerns first.
I’m an animal and he’s providing me cheaper goods. Some animals are more equal than others
This guy has some style. Who would have thought serving the publics needs would play so well?
DNC, do you see any of this?
Yes but they can’t take bribes I mean free speech by serving constituents
you kidding? you can take a ton of bribes. you just can’t take them twice
30% discount from what? This doesn’t make sense.
a core basket of everyday groceries will be 30 percent cheaper at the five new municipal grocery stores. The basket will include all fresh produce, meat and seafood, along with roughly 20 additional categories of pantry staples, dairy and refrigerated goods
It’s right there in the link.
Your quote doesn’t answer the question.
30% cheaper than what?
I’d assume 30% cheaper compared to non-municipal grocery stores.
Which ones? The State doesn’t mandate the prices, and prices vary significantly from market to market.
30% is not a qualitative figure. It’s very quantitative. But it’s absolute bullshit without actually saying what is the actual baseline.
From ddg:
Mayor Zohran Mamdani says the NYC municipal grocery stores will be about 30% cheaper than average retail grocery store prices.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/mamdani-vows-30-lower-prices-120100437.html
That’s meaningless
standard retail, which is pretty easy to find for any given item
That is a very wide price range.
So 30% could be somewhere between 10% or 200%, depending on which shop.
Which makes the claim of “30%” absolutely a pile of bullshit
