Old CPUSA recruitment line from the 1930s: “Wait, you think workers should get paid more, and be in charge of workplaces? What are you some kind of communist?”
You didnt, only china is considered communist in the original, you’re on the forefront of the communist aggression, as seen with the arrows, because some parts of the fediverse considers you to be/going tankie, and because the user that started was the starting domino for this was called a tankie and was a db0 user.
Ill never understand why brainlets try to call /0 tankie given how much squabbling and total idealogical disagreement exists between it and the 3 pretty tankie instances.
Because you don’t knee-jerk support all of Epsteinland’s vassals and hate all it’s enemies, and that lack of head-empty jingoism is more than enough to land you on the smug imperialist’s shitlist.
Tankie is a gradually shifting pejorative for anyone that defends existing socialist states. Dbzer0 straddles the line between tankie/non-tankie because the average stance is less a defense of existing socialism and more towards skepticism towards allegations against existing socialism, which then depends on who is hurling the pejorative.
At this point tankie just means anyone who acknowledges there is nuance to historical and/or modern socialist states. You don’t even have to support or defend them to earn the pejorative, you get it just for saying that maybe the CIA lied about some things.
Edit: after re-reading your comment I realize I am just repeating what you said.
Yep! You’ve got it. I think it mostly depends on the position of the one hurling the pejorative, anarchists that use it tend to mean MLs and others that support socialist states on principle, while liberals cast a wider net for anyone that doesn’t fully buy the CIA narrative, which includes some liberals and many anarchists.
Honestly most anarchists I’ve encountered tend to reflexively hate socialist states to the point that any nuanced take on them gets you the label without even expressing principled support as an ML. I sometimes think they hate ML socialism more than they hate capitalism, which is wild to me. Like, I think that most anarchists are idealistic and naive, but I still think they are comrades and I would happily live in their version of communism if it somehow came about.
You definitely are describing an unfortunately common phenomenon. Anarchism is not ideologically consistent by nature, it’s more loose, and therefore there is broader ideological breathing room than something as consistent and disciplined as the Marxist-derived ideologies. Many anarchists do end up critically supporting socialism as a consequence.
wait, why did we get lumped in with the communists?
Welcome, comrade, whether you want or not, we’ll fight for the revolution.
Old CPUSA recruitment line from the 1930s: “Wait, you think workers should get paid more, and be in charge of workplaces? What are you some kind of communist?”
because you are leftist too. right wingers will attack every leftist.
The tankie caricature is to anti-imperialists what the hippie caricature was to anti-war activists
Lemmylibs think you guys are secret tankies because db0 and unruffled didnt support kamala for president
I thought it was because they didn’t like zionists in general
You didnt, only china is considered communist in the original, you’re on the forefront of the communist aggression, as seen with the arrows, because some parts of the fediverse considers you to be/going tankie, and because the user that started was the starting domino for this was called a tankie and was a db0 user.
Ill never understand why brainlets try to call /0 tankie given how much squabbling and total idealogical disagreement exists between it and the 3 pretty tankie instances.
Because you don’t knee-jerk support all of Epsteinland’s vassals and hate all it’s enemies, and that lack of head-empty jingoism is more than enough to land you on the smug imperialist’s shitlist.
Tankie is a gradually shifting pejorative for anyone that defends existing socialist states. Dbzer0 straddles the line between tankie/non-tankie because the average stance is less a defense of existing socialism and more towards skepticism towards allegations against existing socialism, which then depends on who is hurling the pejorative.
At this point tankie just means anyone who acknowledges there is nuance to historical and/or modern socialist states. You don’t even have to support or defend them to earn the pejorative, you get it just for saying that maybe the CIA lied about some things.
Edit: after re-reading your comment I realize I am just repeating what you said.
Yep! You’ve got it. I think it mostly depends on the position of the one hurling the pejorative, anarchists that use it tend to mean MLs and others that support socialist states on principle, while liberals cast a wider net for anyone that doesn’t fully buy the CIA narrative, which includes some liberals and many anarchists.
Honestly most anarchists I’ve encountered tend to reflexively hate socialist states to the point that any nuanced take on them gets you the label without even expressing principled support as an ML. I sometimes think they hate ML socialism more than they hate capitalism, which is wild to me. Like, I think that most anarchists are idealistic and naive, but I still think they are comrades and I would happily live in their version of communism if it somehow came about.
You definitely are describing an unfortunately common phenomenon. Anarchism is not ideologically consistent by nature, it’s more loose, and therefore there is broader ideological breathing room than something as consistent and disciplined as the Marxist-derived ideologies. Many anarchists do end up critically supporting socialism as a consequence.
When federation and the mass reddit migration happened it was always funny to see people call Hexbear’s anarchists tankies.
You’re left of Hilary sadly you’re a tankie. I’m sorry.
Do I at least get a free T72?
No… You need to work as bot for 1 year and send an application form directly to Putin.