Context: https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/45960248
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You can smell the fart huffing in this thread. Y’all got enough lube for the circlejerk of how you’re the only moral people?
Hell yes, our red tanks will advance, and we’ll take the whole world!
It is impossible for liberal servers to not do this every few months.
For them, legitimacy comes from proximity to their own media, educational institutions, state-produced propaganda, and power structures. Anything that challenges their white / western supremacist outlook gets demonized with “tankie” or “communist infiltration sapping our precious bodily fluids”.
They have no culture of their own
Honest question: are there any Republicans on lemmy?
Context: I’m socialist and mainly hang around hexbear so I see a lot of that. I also see plenty of liberals and libertarians but I haven’t seen any nazi’s or more standard Republicans. Are fascists just bad at tech or am I just lucky?
No.
Why would they? “Moderate” Republicans would get zero engagement on anything, and if they’re way down the MAGA rabbit hole they are on different platforms to indulge in that.
People here label “a particular liberal/leftist that’s not in my political tribe” as Republican all the time, though. It’s honestly mind boggling to me. Lemmy is in like the 99th percentile of the leftism scale in the US.
They usually hang around .world, but stay quite. Other than Patrick’s public meltdown recently.
Also Reddit and X are your Republican safe spaces, so why would they even care about Lemmy?
Blessed not to know who this Patrick is lol
Good point 👈😎
Yes, there’s a libertarian comm with ~1 poster.
Political compass in shambles
Tbh, my comment got removed from worldnews.ml just for saying it makes you look extremly bad to be celebrating the deaths of US soldiers in yet another senseless war. I believe the average .ml user to be 15 years old.
Unfortunately for you, your mod log is public.
I believe the average .ml user to be 15 years old.
I’m almost four times older than that, and I think you’re wildly mistaken.
Death to America and its terrorist war criminal soldiers.
Reporter: [REDACTED]
Reason: Breaks Community RulesThere is no such rule, reporter. مرگ بر آمریکا
It got reported lmao? How fucking sensitive do you have to be? I woulda thought Americans would be the ultimate free speech warriors!
I should be free to call for the death of their terrorist country on every local news station!
Some people forget which instance/community they’re in. Others intentionally abuse the reporting system in the hopes of censoring certain viewpoints. It never works, at least not here, because we know better than to assume every report is made in good faith.
Wild
Why would anyone want to look good to Americans? What has that ever done for you? Are you some kind of goddamned pomeranian?
We don’t support the empire here.
Why would celebrating the deaths of war criminals make you look bad?
Would you say the same thing about celebrating the deaths of Wehrmacht soldiers in World War 2? Why or why not?
The removal didn’t have an effect sadly you are incapable of learning.
Unlimited death to US soldiers fighting on the wrong side.
US soldiers are not “uwu smol beans” just trying to get free healthcare.
They don’t deserve praise or sympathy for doing their job, which is to further the goals of US imperialists. They deserve accountability and scorn for every drone strike. Every blown up family. Every fucking village they’ve reduced to ash. They are not precious victims. They are the boot on the neck of the world. They are the monsters the children of the global south wake up to at night in terror.
They don’t know they’re the fucking boot. I won’t give them praise but I will give them sympathy. They don’t know what they signed up for. They’re kids born into an echo chamber of American propaganda. They don’t know what they’re doing. Nobody at that age does. Don’t celebrate their deaths, they’re victims too.
That quite literally doesn’t matter. Being fucking stupid or ignorant or whatever you want to call it is no excuse to be the bloodthirsty murderers of the world.
Why are you here defending Jack booted thugs from slight criticism?
I am not defending thugs, I’m defending misled kids
Wrong. Those thugs are murdering millions of innocent civilians around the world for 80 years.
Unlike you and most people trying to convince me every US soldier is a stormtrooper for the empire, I have family in the region and know people directly affected by this war.
I never said that US soldiers are innocent, I just don’t celebrate them dying because I think human life is valuable. Edgeposting online feels very cool but doesn’t do anything to end this conflict. If you were so against US imperialism you would do things like protest at home and tell you representatives you’re against it. Demonizing soldiers online is just childish and immature.
More US soldiers dying will also not let the conflict end sooner which would be the best outcome. Those dozens who have died so far will be replaced by others.
Doesn’t seem to me like this is an extremly pro-US position.
You don’t know what I do and don’t do and who I do and don’t know. I’ll continue to celebrate US soldier deaths and you can keep pathetically mourning these white supremacist tools of destruction.
If you were so against US imperialism you would do things like protest at home and tell you representatives you’re against it.
This does not work lol
What, after 3 of these NoKings “”“protests”“” that there was no change whatsoever? The frog costumes doesn’t convince anyone. 3 paragraph signs doesn’t convince anyone.
No, obviously it’s not enough, but still better than being an edgelord online.
In what way is doing frog costume bullshit better than dismantling the harmful mythology of our monstrous death machine
The Viet Minh should have simply written strongly worded letters to US senators to convince them to stop incinerating their villages. But alas they chose violence instead, which makes them just as bad as the US death-and-rape squads. I am a serious anti-imperialist and these are my very cool thoughts
Viet Minh did but forgot their frog costumes so they weren’t able to convince the US.
Won’t someone please think of the Nazi rapists 😔
it makes you look extremly bad to be celebrating the deaths of Nazi soldiers
You’re simply wrong. Celebrating the deaths of those who voluntarily signed up to be fascist stormtroopers raping, pillaging and war criming their way across the periphery is entirely reasonable. Especially for those of us outside the white supremacist western empire who the stormtroopers are intended to be sicked on.
You’re making everyone here look like a callous asshole. Your mistake is assuming those who sign up have a good understanding of what they’re signing up for. They don’t know. Their sin is ignorance. I will never celebrate the death of someone in their early 20s or younger who doesn’t know any better and you shouldn’t either.
So they’re too stupid to blame their own actions on? That’s your defence?
Ignorant doesn’t mean stupid, it means they don’t know something.
Just following orders, didn’t work in 1945 and it doesn’t work now, no matter how stupid or ignorant the removed doing the murdering are.
They have a duty to refuse illegal orders, I am not supporting war crimes
Yet still, you are defending those who carried them out by trying to paint them as uwu ignorant smol beans who didn’t know any better. You’re doing the part of propaganda on behalf of the US trying to sanitize these monsters.
And they don’t, hence why they’re disgusting pieces of shit that should be tried for war crimes.
I am not sorry for having no sympathy for imperialist stormtroopers. In the internet age ignorance is not an excuse. Should rapists and murdered in their early 20s be let off with warnings? Obviously not. Please take your clean wheremacht nonsense elsewhere.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. You sound like a Christian damning the ignorant to hell because they never heard about Jesus and never thought to look. They don’t know. No 18 year old from middle America is going to find information on US imperialism unless they look for it, and there is nothing in their lives suggesting they look for it.
Yeah again not going to feel sorry for murderous rapist stormtroopers just because they’re little mid 20s children who don’t know right from wrong. Please stop with your clean wheremacht nonsense. You condemn the Nuremberg trials as well I suppose the Nazis didn’t know any better they were just following orders and surrounded by propaganda right?
Check your privilege bud
The one who needs to check their privilege is you who is obstinate in downplaying and sweeping under the rug the horrors of your stormtroopers abroad so you can cry about how evil it is for victims (and would be/soon to be victims) to feel relief that they met justice while in the act of perpetrating said horrors.
What is this comment? Explain it.
No 18 year old from America should be raping pillaging and murdering their way across the middle east. Don’t you think that’s worse than condemning them?
Yeah, you’re right. No 18 year old from America should be raping pillaging and murdering their way across the middle east.
Don’t you think that’s worse than condemning them?
What? If some American kid is raping pillaging and murdering anywhere they should be punished for those crimes.
…? Yeah, but they aren’t, lol. They’re lauded as hero’s. Us calling them scum is the default reaction, and should be more widespread.
those of us outside the white supremacist western empire
i suspect that we both can agree that the non-white racial makeup of the ice agents and republicans give the illusion that it’s not a “white” supremacist empire.
i agree with the sentiment shared in your comment and my only quibble is that using “white” – although accurate – detracts from the messaging and i wonder there’s a another term that can be used for the overwhelming majority of westerners that rely on superficial/popular understanding that the word “white” carries with it.
i suspect that we both can agree that the non-white racial makeup of the ice agents and republicans give the illusion that it’s not a “white” supremacist empire.
True however illusions do not change the fact that white supremacy is the bedrock upon which the western liberal hegemonic order is built. All it does is add to the imperative of pointing it out consistently so that said illusion cannot be used as the ideological veil it is intended to be.
i agree with the sentiment shared in your comment and my only quibble is that using “white” – although accurate – detracts from the messaging and i wonder there’s a another term that can be used for the overwhelming majority of westerners that rely on superficial/popular understanding that the word “white” carries with it.
I think it’s best to avoid ceding ground in the realm of thought to the reactionaries, instead focusing on forcing them to see reality as it is. That white is the designated ingroup of the current hegemonic empire.
I think it’s best to avoid ceding ground in the realm of thought to the reactionaries, instead focusing on forcing them to see reality as it is. That white is the designated ingroup of the current hegemonic empire.
i agree with this and i asked my question because the last half century in the west has made it abundantly clear that proselytizing this understanding is woefully inadequate against monied interests, yet most marxists agree that the public must be engaged in this manner nonetheless.
the shift we’ve been seeing in the most recent generations is entirely due to social media live streaming a genocide into peoples homes and now that, that same monied interest has (or are about to) effectively gate keep and capture social media; i fear that this shift will reverse back to the previous dynamic.
i agree with this and i asked my question because the last half century in the west has made it abundantly clear that proselytizing this understanding is woefully inadequate against monied interests, yet most marxists agree that the public must be engaged in this manner nonetheless.
As I understand it the issues in this regard in the west is not that the message or wording is wrong necessarily but simply that it is not accompanied with any action of note (for many reasons) which leaves Marxists mainly as preachers as opposed to leaders and teachers.
now that, that same monied interest has (or are about to) effectively gate keep and capture social media; i fear that this shift will reverse back to the previous dynamic.
Certainly possible but putting this particular genie back in it’s bottle might not be as easy as they wish especially given they are losing ground not only in the ideological front as the decay becomes impossible to ignore but also in material reality where again the decay of the empire and it’s knock on effects become harder and harder to swallow for the average denizen of the imperial core.
All that’s left to see is will the Marxists of the imperial core seize the moment or be swept aside by the rise of the fascists.
the 60% of americans who still don’t believe that the palestinians are being genocided despite that live streaming into their homes suggest that the genie never got the chance to leave the bottle and those same last few decades of the police, cia, fbi, etc. literally bombing, smearing, imprisoning, and executing leftists; along with our institutions providing legal cover for them to do so; also suggest that the imperialists have a winning formula that ensures that any sort of leftist movements die in their cradles.
add to that ice’s presence and european islamophobia taking root into their respective mainstreams also suggest that blame for the material decline will be overwhelmingly placed on the same classic scapegoats. so it seems less like a question of whether or not western marxists can sieze the moment and more like are there enough of them (and are they correctly experienced) to ever doing anything meaningful going forward.
wait, why did we get lumped in with the communists?
Welcome, comrade, whether you want or not, we’ll fight for the revolution.
Old CPUSA recruitment line from the 1930s: “Wait, you think workers should get paid more, and be in charge of workplaces? What are you some kind of communist?”
because you are leftist too. right wingers will attack every leftist.
The tankie caricature is to anti-imperialists what the hippie caricature was to anti-war activists
Lemmylibs think you guys are secret tankies because db0 and unruffled didnt support kamala for president
I thought it was because they didn’t like zionists in general
You didnt, only china is considered communist in the original, you’re on the forefront of the communist aggression, as seen with the arrows, because some parts of the fediverse considers you to be/going tankie, and because the user that started was the starting domino for this was called a tankie and was a db0 user.
Ill never understand why brainlets try to call /0 tankie given how much squabbling and total idealogical disagreement exists between it and the 3 pretty tankie instances.
Because you don’t knee-jerk support all of Epsteinland’s vassals and hate all it’s enemies, and that lack of head-empty jingoism is more than enough to land you on the smug imperialist’s shitlist.
Tankie is a gradually shifting pejorative for anyone that defends existing socialist states. Dbzer0 straddles the line between tankie/non-tankie because the average stance is less a defense of existing socialism and more towards skepticism towards allegations against existing socialism, which then depends on who is hurling the pejorative.
At this point tankie just means anyone who acknowledges there is nuance to historical and/or modern socialist states. You don’t even have to support or defend them to earn the pejorative, you get it just for saying that maybe the CIA lied about some things.
Edit: after re-reading your comment I realize I am just repeating what you said.
Yep! You’ve got it. I think it mostly depends on the position of the one hurling the pejorative, anarchists that use it tend to mean MLs and others that support socialist states on principle, while liberals cast a wider net for anyone that doesn’t fully buy the CIA narrative, which includes some liberals and many anarchists.
Honestly most anarchists I’ve encountered tend to reflexively hate socialist states to the point that any nuanced take on them gets you the label without even expressing principled support as an ML. I sometimes think they hate ML socialism more than they hate capitalism, which is wild to me. Like, I think that most anarchists are idealistic and naive, but I still think they are comrades and I would happily live in their version of communism if it somehow came about.
You definitely are describing an unfortunately common phenomenon. Anarchism is not ideologically consistent by nature, it’s more loose, and therefore there is broader ideological breathing room than something as consistent and disciplined as the Marxist-derived ideologies. Many anarchists do end up critically supporting socialism as a consequence.
When federation and the mass reddit migration happened it was always funny to see people call Hexbear’s anarchists tankies.
You’re left of Hilary sadly you’re a tankie. I’m sorry.
Do I at least get a free T72?
No… You need to work as bot for 1 year and send an application form directly to Putin.
Certified commie over here, salute to kittenzrulz123 o7
:3
o7
💯🫡❤️
Taking the original image way literally for a sec, why did nobody question someone from US deciding if cambodia should be communist or not? Shouldn’t cambodians draw that line?
https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-3706966075/view
Australian election poster actually.
Ok that actually makes more sense lmao. I appreciate the fact-check.
She made the original meme, haha.
Now I want a map of lemmy positions
just look at who defederates from whom and you’ll have it.
Another case of “anyone slightly more left wing than me is a tankie, anyone slightly more right wing is a fascist” while we all boil in the same real-life-gray-area soup
I just wanna grill for god’s sake!
Shut up tankie /s
Got blocked from 196 for having an opinion that, although popular, did not align with the mods there so you know what? Fuck 196 and their baby mods. They’ve shown themselves to be little bitch snowflakes so let them be?
open modlog
hoo boy yeah good riddance I’d sayYour ban reason is listed as transphobia, I trust blahaj more with that than I do leftism.
Which is hilarious because I have a trans son whom I love to the ends of the earth. Almost like you can’t judge people from comments online. So yeah, fuck them.
“I can’t be racist I have a black friend!” Like cmon
A few things.
- The parallel is stupid.
- If you legit have a black friend you probably have more than one.
- I also have LGBT friends, have walked the pride parade, fought for them, etc.
- Opinions are like aasholes
- Arguing on The Internet proves both parties are removed
I stand by what I say. The mods on 196/balajahaja or whatever the fuck it is are snowflake babies and nothing of value for me was lost but I’m more that happy to express they are snowflake babies whenever given the opportunity.
The mods on 196/balajahaja or whatever the fuck it is are snowflake babies
I agree with this 100%. i have not dug into whatever comment got you in hot water
Im just stating that being around LGBTQIA people, or any minority, or even being one of these groups, doesn’t preclude you, or anyone, from homophobia/transphobia/racism. We live in a racist ass society. we are all racist. we live in a transphobic society. we are all transphobic. instead of trying to argue why you arent these things you should instead examine why someone might say what you had done or said was transphobic.
Fundamentally I disagree with blocking outside of things like threatening life, CSAM or other extreme things. Doing it for different opinions? That’s a bitch move and sign of a weak person or persons.
You or anyone else can go through my comment history at no point have I said anything destructive to anyone. Regardless it’s neither here nor there. The mods/admins of that instance have shown they are not interested in divergent or challenging opinions. Let them live in their walled garden. For anyone on their instance I would seriously take a second look at their bullshit policies and/or questionable moderation.
My 2 cents.
Edit and on your point of we live in a racist/transfobic society I agree 100%. Maybe it’s an opportunity for the people doing the banning to reflect maybe they need to pull their heads out their asses and realize intentionally removing voices from a room does not make the voices go away. And adult would have asked/talked it out. Dialogue. Nope. Bitch behaviour and block lol
debate me
'Bate somewhere else
congrats to the new dbzero tankies btw
i thought they were anarchists
Anarchists are tankies.
doesn’t matter, still tankies. libs seem to declare anyone who is too left leaning as scary murderous tankies.
tankie is not about what they believe in but how can we destroy their reputation so nobody listens to their effective anti-estabilishment rhetoric.
basically a meaningless term used by right wingers for demonization.
Not for long after the Troika liberates them
Been gone for a while, did my peoples go tankie?
always has been
It’s a shifting target. Tankie has always been a pejorative for those supportive of socialist states, now this has broadened from “support” to “doesn’t fully condemn.”
Ohhhh, I remember you
Can’t say I remember you, sorry 😅
Well that’s just fine, you’re way less forgettable then I anyhow, practically infamous here. We have seen eachother in debates before, good old fashion bout’s of infighting. lol
Haha, fair. I will say, the idea that I’m “infamous” has always been funny to me. A few people really hate me, while most tend to be on good terms. It generally follows the chart in the meme, dbzer0 is okay with me, the 3 more communist instances tend to like me, while those on the opposite side of the iron curtain, so to speak, have a few people that despise me.
Not really but according to the nazi bars everyone left of Kissinger is one.
The only question I have is why hasn’t kittenzrulz123 posted counter logs proving that they were not a genocide apologist.
For the same reason you don’t have to show counter logs proving you’re not an “apologist” for white genocide in South Africa.
So, you would personally allow the screenshots set the narrative that kittenzrulz123 apologize to genocide, than set an anti genocide stance?
Kittenzrulz123 never “apologized” for genocide, as this implies accepting that the alleged genocide is even real to begin with, and then stating that it’s good. Kittenzrulz123 took the correct stance that there’s no actual evidence for genocide in Xinjiang.
Did we read the same screenshots? How does Stalin, Pinochet, and Biden have anything to do with 新疆?
I’m referring to this:
Which deals pretty explicitly with the allegations of genocide in Xinjiang. What genocide are you referring to?
That read to me like pugjesus trying to pull a whataboutism, which like kittenzrulez123 I would ignore. I meant the ones below:
These were the exact reasons they were demodded for.
kittenzrulz123 isn’t denying genocide, here. Claiming that Stalin wasn’t as bad as Hitler is mainstream liberal historian consensus, and most modern historiography shows he was better than Churchill. There’s no denial of genocide by Hitler, nor a defense of Pinochet. Instead, there’s support for Salvadore Allende, who unfortunately was coup’d precisely because his path to socialism was not revolutionary, and a denial that Stalin was as bad as Hitler, which is just historical fact.
I don’t see any apologies for any genocides in those screenshots. If you’re talking about Stalin/USSR specifically, there was no genocide, so there’s no apology for one.
???
The accusation of genocide denial had no specific context given so you just have to guess. These are lazy anticommunist liberals they gobble up invented genocides when it suits the narrative of their masters.
Unless you can specifically ground exactly what genocides were denied? Show the posts and comments.
Sure:
None of that has kittenz denying a genocide.
What’s the issue in those screenshots? What genocides were they supposedly being an apologist/denialist for there?
Why haven’t you posted evidence you aren’t a child molester.
Why haven’t you proven that you don’t deny the genocide of white South Africans?
Is it because it didn’t actually happen? Well there’s your answer.
Oh look, who could have guessed, https://quokk.au/post/1070450#comment_5416609
SCP-style collaborative anticommunist creepypasta
The level of pathetic most liberals and “anarchists” strive to be is quite impressive.
Why are you following my inquiry with a nonsequitor whataboutism I have nothing to do with? I am unsure what davel’s citations have anything to do kittenzrulz123’s flagrant genocide apologia. Could you be so kind as to enlighten me how they relate?
You see, genocide good when “socialist” states do it
What genocide are they allegedly excusing?
the ones Jorunn excerpted in spoiled screenshots: Stalin, Augusto Pinochet, and American ones.
Stalin
What genocides do you think Stalin committed?
It’s impossible to competently read those screenshots and come away with the idea that, say, kittenz is “denying genocide” re: Pinochet. The others are similarly ridiculous, they just don’t mean thst at all.
Instead of gesturing to a post with like 10 screenshots of text, why not quote kittenz and say what you think is genocide denial.
Sure, I can transcribe the exact excerpts I read above: Apologia A:
For example we objectively know that most of the claims against Stalin were falsified. Not to say he was perfect but even the CIA admits they falsefied it. Apologia B: Salvador Allende was a great democratic socialist who supposedly did everything right and look what happened to him Apologia C: [President Biden image captioned with “No, I don’t think I will.”]
For example we objectively know that most of the claims against Stalin were falsified. Not to say he was perfect but even the CIA admits they falsefied it.
Literally nothing about genocide.
Salvador Allende was a great democratic socialist who supposedly did everything right and look what happened to him
Literally nothing about genocide and you seem to completely misunderstand kittenz orientation to Allende.
[Captain AmericaCX image captioned with “No, I don’t think I will.”]
Obviously a reply to someone telling them to stop talking.
So you have nothing. I think you should take some time to ask why you are so confident even though it really seems that you are having difficulty reading and understanding what’s in front of you. I don’t mean the latter as an insult, it is perfectly fine to not immediately understand something. The issue is that you act very certain about a topic where you are actually uncertain.
For example we objectively know that most of the claims against Stalin were falsified. Not to say he was perfect but even the CIA admits they falsefied it.
What supposed genocides are they being an apologist of here?
Apologia B: Salvador Allende was a great democratic socialist who supposedly did everything right and look what happened to him Apologia
What? Salvador Allende is not Pinochet, and Pinochet was opposed to him. You do know that Pinochet was the one to overthrow Allende, right?
How can this even be interpreted as support for Pinochet?Apologia C: [President Biden image captioned with “No, I don’t think I will.”]
That’s not even Biden, nor is there any genocide apologia going on there.
That’s not biden. That’s captain america.
Stalin,
The kulaks were not a people but an economic class, and a famine is not a genocide[1].
Augusto Pinochet, and American ones.
Where are they apologizing for Pinochet or the US? That doesn’t even make sense.
Where are they apologizing for Pinochet or the US? That doesn’t even make sense.
Both. Which is why I want kittenzrulez123 to counter log.
You are genuinely confused about something. I’m not sure where the mismatch happened but what you’re saying doesn’t make sense. They were defending Allende, the Chilean social democrat who was killed by Pinochet. And are you saying that by using a pretty common Captain America meme they’re doing genocide denial about the Native American genocide? Because that meme is common enough that I didn’t even know it was a Captain America screencap.
The people making these accusations simply believe, without investigation, that China is committing genocide against Uyghurs. Any pushback on this is labeled genocide denial, in bad faith, because none of them have done even a mildly critical review if what has happened in Xinjiang nor the truly absurd US state department/intelligence connections of the small and dishonest group of think tank grifters pushing that particular narrative.
There are no logs to post that would satisfy them. They seek to slander and avoid thought, not discuss the topic of genocide with any level of seriousness. This is about their egos, not any actual concern about Uyghurs. I’ve never even met one of these people who can name an element of Uyghur culture. They’re just a rhetorical weapon to these national chauvinists.
Well, right now PRC is still aggressively demanding shores and sea routes of other nations. I have seen some documentaries on mistreatment of Uyghurs, but I am talking about kittenzrulz123’s own genocide apologetics which lead to their removal in 196 as moderators. Am I lead to believe kittenzrulz123 would dismiss others concerns of genocide?
Well, right now PRC is still aggressively demanding shores and sea routes of other nations.
Your link seems to be to a wrong page, as it doesn’t lead to any sort of explanation on what shores and sea routes are supposedly being demanded. Are you talking about NATO blockading the PRC’s sea access and formulating that as if the PRC is the aggressor in this case?
I have seen some documentaries on mistreatment of Uyghurs
Okay? You can see documentaries claiming whatever their makers want. They don’t have to satisfy any sort of proof standards.
As it stands, not even your empire’s leadership believes that, so, to assert this, you have to know more than the most expensive military and spy operation in the world.
but I am talking about kittenzrulz123’s own genocide apologetics
What genocides were they supposedly being an apologist for?
Well, right now PRC is still aggressively demanding shores and sea routes of other nations.
Your link is just to a Lemmy search but I’m guessing you’re referring the SCS? And China isn’t really demanding the SCS it just plain has it.
I have seen some documentaries on mistreatment of Uyghur
That is just another link to a search on YouTube, not a documentary. But there was a concerted effort to produce spurious reports and manipulative documentaries so this could mean almost anything in terms of the accuracy of what you watched.
but I am talking about kittenzrulz123’s own genocide apologetics which lead to their removal in 196 as moderators.
Are you? You haven’t listed them and the only implication so far is that it’s being minimally media critical regarding accusations against China’s treatment of Uyghurs. A position that is correct and that I already explained can be twisted in bad faith to be labeled genocide denial. Why are you just repeating things? I already responded to this!
Am I lead to believe kittenzrulz123 would dismiss others concerns of genocide?
???
Your link is just to a Lemmy search but I’m guessing you’re referring the SCS? It’s also doing exercises in Japan, Malaysia, Philippines, etc., why it’s not just SCS. Are you? that is indeed my inquiry… You haven’t listed them Jorunn did, not I. I fail to read China or Uyghurs anywhere in the screenshots. Could you show me which one I am missing? ??? Did kittenzrulz123 lie to you or something?
It’s also doing exercises in Japan
Ah, so you did engage in trickery by claiming that the PRC is the aggressor in this case when you were, in fact, talking about NATO blockading the PRC’s sea access.
… Malaysia, Philippines
Do you have sources with regards to the PRC “demanding” their shores and “sea routes”?
Jorunn did, not I
But you are the one making the assertion here as if you believe it. So, either you can list them, or you are just being obviously bad faith.
Did kittenzrulz123 lie to you or something?
What are you even talking about here?
exercises in Japan, Malaysia, Philippines
China has zero military exercises in Japan, Malaysia, or the Philippines.
that is indeed my inquiry…
You can’t name them you just demand evidence to the contrary vaguely.
Jorunn did
Except they didn’t. Those screenshots don’t show any genocide denial.
I fail to read China or Uyghurs anywhere in the screenshots. Could you show me which one I am missing?
I already did in another comment it’s just them saying they don’t think there’s scholarly consensus. Why does everyone else have to describe what kittenz actually said but you don’t? Produce actual quotes not screenshots that don’t deny genocide.
PS you are messing up the quote feature.
Is this a reference to their comment about the treatment of the Uyghurs not having a consensus drawn as to whether or not it’s a genocide?
It’s hard to say I think this person is deeply confused
Yeah I think the ban was valid. They were clearly not being coherent
They weren’t interested in being coherent. They just wanted to get banned and tell their friends: https://quokk.au/post/1070450#comment_5416609
Referring to this thread as “typical pressure” is wild. I’ve seen a lot of anti-tankie bullshit but claiming the Allende perpetrated a genocide and is also the same person as Pinochet is a new one to me.
Yeah look at me I’m one of you guys too!
Fucking tribalism behaviour.
Hah and then they will claim that it’s the tankies who are the “campists”
thanks for the updoots kind stranger!
Literaly 19684 😔
Tbh I might bring it over to hexbear now that this is my main acc :3
We have 196 on hexbear. Its called main. Its just kinda dead and I would love if more posting was done.
I can do that :3
